Which reflex for a CORE M&P?

[Big Dog Dad]

I picked up a CORE 9mm recently and love it. I want to get a reflex sight and was looking at the Leupold Deltapoint but was wondering if there is any other reflex sight you folks recommend that might be a little cheaper, but with the same co-witness capabilities. I'm just going to use it for playing, not serious competition.

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[8six3]

FYI, if you decide to go with the Deltapoint, Leupold is releasing the Deltapoint 2 sometime mid-year. Supposed to have a couple upgraded features yet remain the same price. Also in the sale section, a member had a great price for a lighly used 7.5 moa Deltapoint with all mounts. If I had not recently ordered mine, I would have jumped on the deal.

 

[Bkreutz]

I use a Jpoint (when I use optics), depends on which sanctioning body I'm shooting. I use it mainly for Steel Challenge. JP - JPoint® Micro-Electronic Reflex Sight

 

[jimjc]

There`s at least 6 different sight Mfg`s that make sights for the mounts in with your gun but If I ca remember only 4 will give you the ability to co-witness.. RMR is another and I think Burris has one.

 

[JColumbus]

I wouldn't consider any that won't cowitness. Burris FFII will but the on off button malfunctions. Deltapoint will, not aware of any problems. JPoint will, the glass is more like plastic and when it scuffs, becomes hard to see through, so you have to treat it like a baby. RMR, not aware of problems and you can get an on off model. And the Docter, those things are great, not aware of major issues.

When wanting to use just the irons, it sucks to have one that doesn't shut off, as I am experiencing. The thing is, I wouldn't spend the money on the RMR if it's just a toy.

If you're buying new, I'd go for an RMR. If you're buying used, I'd go with a JPoint, or Delta Point. They both go for 3-400 but I see em used often for 130-240.

I plan to get the on/off RMR sooner or later, but I use a JPoint right now. The Delta has a bigger lens but takes a smaller battery. The JPoint takes a cr2032 which is cheap and common and since I use an Aimpoint T-1 on my rifle, I can use spares for either.

Uhhhhhh, just trying not to forget any potentially helpful information...

Oh, audible clicks. JPoint is the only one where the windage and elevation is like a constant turning of the dial. There are no clicks. It may P you off but I don't mind.

I believe it's the Delta Point, but it may be another. The screws to lock the windage and elevation are on the back of the sight, so you won't be able to get in between the sight and the rear irons to use em, unless you innovate a way to do so.

The Burris FFII has a slight magnification and an amber looking view through the lens. It is very prone to impact and will break even during transportation if it takes a hit. I've read of a guy that was leaning his rifle up against a tree and it fell and cracked the sight. Luckily, even after warranty is up, he got it replaced.

I think that's about all I know about these co witnessing sights.

DO NOT BUY THE BURRIS FFIII!!! Or buy it, but it's been my experience that, if you actually get out and shoot enough, you will find that it shuts off on every shot. The battery door is on top and it is cheap plastic so you can strip it if you try and tighten it. This results in the battery door coming loose and recoil turning it off. Sure there's locktite, but like I said, it's plastic. I wouldn't want to risk messing up the lid when replacing the battery. I say don't get, but others may LOVE it.

OH! Lastly... Geez sorry it just all keeps popping up. One thing to consider, is ambient light sensor. They all work well, but the JPoint's censor is faster than the Delta's. Not sure about the RMR. Thing that sucks about em, is if you use it for home defense, or train in low light no light, you will lose the dot in the flash light, because the censor won't react to the flashlight. Not a big deal if you train with irons. Just a thought.

My personal opinion is that the adjustable on/off RMR's are the best. Even though it's not like your going to adjust the dot in a stressful situation, you have the option to turn it off and adjust for range, set it at a level for home defense at night, and whatever else.

Otherwise, and as previously stated, for your use I would recommend a used JPoint, or Delta Point.

Hope this helps.


AHHHHHHHH!!! ONE LAST THING, I promise! Even the tiniest scuffs on the JPoint lens WILL make the dot look blurry, or pixelated, in a way.

 

[Mike1161]

I have a JPoint and if I had to do it again I wouldn't get it. The red dot is never a simple red dot. There is always a flare around it, not even, so the dot never looks round. It bugs me, but the dot is small enough to make putting rounds on target were you want simple, just I don't like the fuzzy dot. Now I am not saying that the more expensive ones are any better since I haven't used them, but I would expect for $200-$300 more they better be.

 

[Mike1161]

AHHHHHHHH!!! ONE LAST THING, I promise! Even the tiniest scuffs on the JPoint lens WILL make the dot look blurry, or pixelated, in a way.

Mine was that way right out of the box.. hasn't gotten worse, but clearly blurry from day one.

 

[DanTana]

I have the Deltapoint and I love how the triangle system works for me. I use the large 7.5 moa for quick acquisition then when I want to shoot for accuracy I have it sighted in for the point at the top of the triangle. The only thing I don't like is the before mentioned adjustment screws in back. You have to loosen them each time you adjust it and it is in the way of the rear sight. I ended up taking my rear sight off for now until I"m 100% satisfied with the sights then replace it. I am looking for a T5 wrench that has a sharp bend in it or maybe drill two holes in the rear sight to fit the wrench through.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Any way to mount one of these guys on a regular M&P like in the dovetail cutout? I didn't see an adapter and that surprises me. What am I missing?

 

[Bkreutz]

I've seen dovetail mounts, just not sure where. You could probably find it with a Google search, or Ebay.

 

[DanTana]

Wilson, I believe I have seen a dovetail mount on MidwayUSA sight for 1911's. Whether or not these will work with the M&P is debatable. I have also seen sight mounts the attach to the picatinny front mount that wrap around the gun and up above the slide. One of those might work for you. That is why I just went for the Core model from the beginning. I knew I'd need a sight before I'd bought one.

 

[Bkreutz]

Any way to mount one of these guys on a regular M&P like in the dovetail cutout? I didn't see an adapter and that surprises me. What am I missing?

Look about halfway down the linked page, there are a number of dovetail mounts JP - JPoint® Adapters and Accessories These are for JPoint but I would imagine most of the reflex sight manufacturers have similar offerings.

 

[RonS]

I have a Burris Fast Fire III, purchased last October. The battery cover is aluminum and sealed with a rubber O-Ring. I do not have thousands of rounds through it but I have run one box of 50 .357 Magnum 158 gr JHPs and about 100 .38 Specials through it so far.

It could be that there has been a design change and those who have issues with the plastic covers might be able to get a new battery cover from Burris if they call.

 

[JColumbus]

I have a Burris Fast Fire III, purchased last October. The battery cover is aluminum and sealed with a rubber O-Ring. I do not have thousands of rounds through it but I have run one box of 50 .357 Magnum 158 gr JHPs and about 100 .38 Specials through it so far.

It could be that there has been a design change and those who have issues with the plastic covers might be able to get a new battery cover from Burris if they call.

Wow! If that's the case, I might pick one up again. I've had three of these and the only thing that sucked about em was the plastic top cover. Other wise, I love em.

I wouldn't recommend them on a CORE, though. They don't cowitness as well as others. Just a tad too high.

 

[RonS]

I thought about getting a front sight tall enough to cowitness but then the FAA called and said I would have to put a flashing red light on it.

I wish they would make a CORE 1911, I'd trade my SA in on one.

 

[Riflemann]

I don't have the RMR yet, but I plan on getting one this summer for my 40L CORE. I have read a lot of reviews on several different sites and the RMR is by far the favored site for the CORE.

 

[DanTana]

Rons, Take a look at the FNH FNX-45 Tactical. I almost bought one before I bought my M&P Core. I liked the fact I could shoot .40 and 9mm out of my M&P. I still may buy one someday. They want as much used for them as a new one at my LGS.

 

[mtnwinds]

I used a DeltaPoint on my 45c for about a year. I would not recommend it for three reasons. First, the battery life on mine was only from 2½ to 3 months maximum. Second, you have to remove the sight to change the battery. Third, the sight adjustments are too complicated.

I have read that the RMR has not stood up under the pounding that some tactical training schools have given it.

If I were going to run another sight I would give serious consideration to the Burris FastFire III.

 

[JColumbus]

I used a DeltaPoint on my 45c for about a year. I would not recommend it for three reasons. First, the battery life on mine was only from 2½ to 3 months maximum. Second, you have to remove the sight to change the battery. Third, the sight adjustments are too complicated.

I have read that the RMR has not stood up under the pounding that some tactical training schools have given it.

If I were going to run another sight I would give serious consideration to the Burris FastFire III.

I have to disagree with you friend.

First, most micro red dot sights have to be removed to change the battery. If one were to factor that in as a big deal, they would be out, all good cowitnessing sights. The battery life would be a big deal to me too, though. I thought they lasted longer than that.

Second, you're right about RMR's going down in classes, but keep in mind, if those go down, the rest will. The RMR is probably the toughest MRDS on the market. The Docter would be my choice for second, but these sights weren't originally designed to stand up to the reciprocation of a pistol slide. There fair well on large caliber rifles, but I don't thin ANY of them would handle the torture they've put the RMR through. MAAAAAAYBE the Eotech, but I just don't know and it doesn't cowiteness.

Last, the Burris IS a good little sight, but I've had three and NONE of them have stood up to more than 500 rounds on my rifle. It always lasts the first range trip, and died right in the beginning of the second. I do contribute it to the battery door cover, but if the RMR dies on a pistol slide, the Burris will, sooner.

I'm not trying to invalidate your point of view. It must be a pain to have to remove the sight to adjust windage and elevation! (Wouldn't drill holes through the rear sights for that) I just think you over looked a couple of points that makes recombining the BFF, over RMR Docter or Delta Point, a little farsighted. Aside from a 50-100 dollar price gap, I just don't see why someone would put the Burris FF3 over the others. IT IS A GREAT SIGHT THOUGH.

 

[Danno_man]

Leupold announced the DeltaPoint 2. I was going to buy a DP, but going to wait for the DP2.

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