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Which S&W do you trust your life with: a home and on the street?
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Keechi Kid
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I don't leave the house without either my 696 concealed or if I'm headed to the ranch a 657 4".
Protected One
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Why 20 ga. instead of 12 ga? I know either will work, but people have reasons for preferring one over the other. Just wondering whats yours.
Recoil. The 20 ga can do anything a 12 ga can do at short distances. Like around the house.
And, I have short arms. My 870 is a youth model.
Protected One
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Gotcha. I'm looking at a Mossberg 500 20 ga. myself.
Same reason: Recoil. I want something my wife can handle too.
mustangman
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Have a few rifles, but am pretty light on SD guns, so right now my Shield 40 is my "do all", on my hip in the daytime, next to the bed with a tac light at night.
David R
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637 with CT grips in an ankle holster or IWB. I have an LCP, but it sits home most of the time. It does fit in some pockets when the ankle holster will not work for my day. When I THINK the 637 is kind of big, I carry a 3" Officers Model 1911 for a day. Then the 637 is great!
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Frizzman
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These days, its usually either a S&W 337 with bobbed hammer and fiber optic fromt sight or a Kahr P9 Covert. I also carry the 640-1 or a Rossi 720C in .44 spl...Its one of the good Rossi revolvers...For the nightstand, a Beretta 92 FS with night sights is the usual...my old Remington 870 that my new wife gave me for Christmas in 1978 it parked in the corner. The best night defense weapon is my big old Doberman that sleeps on his bed next to our bed.
On and off duty...
An official red ryder carbine action 200 shot range model air rifle.
My backup gun is a 586.
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gordon21
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Smoke, Mc5aw, Pmosley: I gather that none of you approve of what I did. I am not trying to start an argument, but I sincerely ask what YOU would have done in these situations. Please tell me your reaction to each incident.
2AM: Dark yard in a very rural area. Lit enough to see my neighbors dog being attacked and about 4-5 wild dogs running frantically around the old blind dog being attacked. I might have hit one, I don't know. All I know is that I stopped the attack. I really want you guys to chime in and say what YOU would have done. Let the dog get killed on the spot or???? After the first shot, they all scattered fast.
As far as the daytime incident, I assume all of you would have preferred that I immediately kill the other dog belonging to a neighbor down the road. Am I right or am I misreading your responses? I have never heard of a "Joey B", but will go Google it later. In this case, I clearly had a choice to make. Kill or scare. I chose scare. My wife or grandkids were not in the yard. It was me and dog only. So the standard response should be "kill the neighbors dog immediately"??
And for those of you that answer "kill the dog immediately", then what would you do afterwards with a dead dog in your own yard? Do you leave it there on the front lawn, go quietly dispose of the body or take it down the road to the neighbor that owns it and hand him a corpse??
2AM: Dark yard in a very rural area. Lit enough to see my neighbors dog being attacked and about 4-5 wild dogs running frantically around the old blind dog being attacked. I might have hit one, I don't know. All I know is that I stopped the attack. I really want you guys to chime in and say what YOU would have done. Let the dog get killed on the spot or???? After the first shot, they all scattered fast.
As far as the daytime incident, I assume all of you would have preferred that I immediately kill the other dog belonging to a neighbor down the road. Am I right or am I misreading your responses? I have never heard of a "Joey B", but will go Google it later. In this case, I clearly had a choice to make. Kill or scare. I chose scare. My wife or grandkids were not in the yard. It was me and dog only. So the standard response should be "kill the neighbors dog immediately"??
And for those of you that answer "kill the dog immediately", then what would you do afterwards with a dead dog in your own yard? Do you leave it there on the front lawn, go quietly dispose of the body or take it down the road to the neighbor that owns it and hand him a corpse??
G.T. Smith
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Model 65-4 4" is the best hitting gun I have. Probably my 65 4".
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gordon
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gordon21
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Smoke, Mc5aw, Pmosley: I gather none of you approve of my actions. I am not trying to start an argument, but I really do want to know what you would have done in each incident.
2AM: Dimly lit yard in a very rural area. Neighbors old, blind dog is being attacked by 5-6 wild dogs. I fired intending to hit one. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. They all scattered. Would you have let the dog get killed on the spot??
Daytime incident: I was at my mailbox about 150' from my front door. Rottweiler comes running towards me aggressively. I start heading for the house. By the time I get half way home, the dog is within 10', growling, teeth bared and hair raised. I yell, wave my arms and the dog still keeps closing the distance. The dog is normally chained 24/7 outside 365 days a year with no shelter at the neighbors house. I had a choice to make. Kill or scare. I intentionally chose to scare to use that option first. I never heard the phrase "Joey B", but will Google it later. I can only assume you guys would have killed the dog immediately. Neither my wife nor grandkids were in the yard at the time. It was only me and the dog.
If yes, please tell me what you would have done with a dead dog. Leave in in your front yard for the neighbor to eventually discover, dispose of the body discreetly or take the dead body to the neighbors house and say here is your dead dog?
If you wouldn't have shot at all, what would your plan be with an overly aggressive dog? Just get mauled??
Smoke: You must be an EMT in great shape and can run fast since you say you wouldn't have introduced a gun. I'm 58 years old and I know I couldn't out run a 100# vicious dog those last 75'. No one else was home so if I had been attacked, no one would have known
2AM: Dimly lit yard in a very rural area. Neighbors old, blind dog is being attacked by 5-6 wild dogs. I fired intending to hit one. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. They all scattered. Would you have let the dog get killed on the spot??
Daytime incident: I was at my mailbox about 150' from my front door. Rottweiler comes running towards me aggressively. I start heading for the house. By the time I get half way home, the dog is within 10', growling, teeth bared and hair raised. I yell, wave my arms and the dog still keeps closing the distance. The dog is normally chained 24/7 outside 365 days a year with no shelter at the neighbors house. I had a choice to make. Kill or scare. I intentionally chose to scare to use that option first. I never heard the phrase "Joey B", but will Google it later. I can only assume you guys would have killed the dog immediately. Neither my wife nor grandkids were in the yard at the time. It was only me and the dog.
If yes, please tell me what you would have done with a dead dog. Leave in in your front yard for the neighbor to eventually discover, dispose of the body discreetly or take the dead body to the neighbors house and say here is your dead dog?
If you wouldn't have shot at all, what would your plan be with an overly aggressive dog? Just get mauled??
Smoke: You must be an EMT in great shape and can run fast since you say you wouldn't have introduced a gun. I'm 58 years old and I know I couldn't out run a 100# vicious dog those last 75'. No one else was home so if I had been attacked, no one would have known
Linejudgemick
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I have a 20 ga. Mossberg 500... and I've had a 12 ga. Remington 870 Wingmaster for many years. I bought the Mossberg a year ago because it weighs less to carry while chasing rooster pheasants. IMO the Mossberg doesn't kick one bit less than the 12 ga., probably because it weighs less. If recoil is an issue for you - I recommend you get an auto-loader and/or shoot reduced recoil ammo, which BTW is easier to find in 12 ga.
Gordon, I think that the statement that you are now confident against people after having confronted dogs doesn't make sense to most people. I've confronted both, and they are quite different.
As for the OP's question, I am still required to carry the duty issue Glock for work. However, a 3" 657 rides night stand duty on occasion. When I hunt, the Glock is in the safe and a 657 or 629 plays ride-a-long. I trust them all. My first LE rig was a 27-3 and it is still a favorite.
As for the OP's question, I am still required to carry the duty issue Glock for work. However, a 3" 657 rides night stand duty on occasion. When I hunt, the Glock is in the safe and a 657 or 629 plays ride-a-long. I trust them all. My first LE rig was a 27-3 and it is still a favorite.
GORDON21
You NEVER shoot to scare or wound EVER. That goes for animals as well as people.
In case #1 the wild dogs, shooting to kill is a no brainer, wild dogs are dangerous especially in a pack and they could have easily changed "victims" and gone after you.
In case #2 It is fairly obvious to me that the dog wasn't coming to wish you a good day, if you shoot to kill and MISS that's one thing, but to use a firearm as a noise-maker is dangerous to everyone in the area, what happens if there is a ricochet? If you had killed the dog your next course of action should have been to the police to report the incident.
gordon21
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DR505: My son in law is a LEO in the states now and has done civilian police training in Afghanistan. He has told me horror stories about USA LEO's and foreign recruits who have faced situations and they hesitate or freeze. They train and train, but when it becomes a real situation, they hesitate. And as you know, that is not good.
I think the point I was trying to make but got misconstrued was that I had learned I was able to unholster a gun, aim and fire it in a situation that lasted only seconds and could have turned out very badly for my own safety (incident 2). I certainly wasn't trying to brag, but had come to the self realization that I was not one of those people who carry a gun and would never know if I could draw and fire as needed.
There was no planning like a SWAT team does. I was innocently getting my mail at a rural area mailbox right after getting home from work and literally seconds later I was afraid for my safety.
I do not have the luxury of extensive LEO or military training. I am a plain old civilian who reacted as needed and gained confidence in the process. The whole incident took less time than I spent writing the last couple sentences.
I have always asked for advice my whole life and have no issues with admitting I have done something wrong. I try to learn from my mistakes and experiences. I will be curious about what the responses will be from the people who frowned on not killing the dog.
I think the point I was trying to make but got misconstrued was that I had learned I was able to unholster a gun, aim and fire it in a situation that lasted only seconds and could have turned out very badly for my own safety (incident 2). I certainly wasn't trying to brag, but had come to the self realization that I was not one of those people who carry a gun and would never know if I could draw and fire as needed.
There was no planning like a SWAT team does. I was innocently getting my mail at a rural area mailbox right after getting home from work and literally seconds later I was afraid for my safety.
I do not have the luxury of extensive LEO or military training. I am a plain old civilian who reacted as needed and gained confidence in the process. The whole incident took less time than I spent writing the last couple sentences.
I have always asked for advice my whole life and have no issues with admitting I have done something wrong. I try to learn from my mistakes and experiences. I will be curious about what the responses will be from the people who frowned on not killing the dog.
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