Who would you rather have as backup?

Sad to say Bill Jordan went to the Happy Hunting Ground at age 86.
Sorry I can't find the date, but it has been a few years since he passed.
He was a Marine combat veteran of WWII and Korea, a border patrolman,
quick draw artist, writer, NRA director, and much more. In other words
he lived a full life. RIP Bill.
 
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Collects said:
Neither Cirillo nor Jordan would be very helpful. They are both dead!
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I was out of the country for 20 years working abroad in a country that had stong law against private gun ownership especially for a foreigner.Shooting a 1911 at a public allowed indoor range was $30 for 10 rds of hard ball.To make matters worse the gun was chained to the shooting station walls on both sides.

I returned about 2 years ago.

So,who are the Cirillo,Allard,Jordan et al of today?
 
StakeOut said:
I was out of the country for 20 years working abroad in a country that had stong law against private gun ownership especially for a foreigner.Shooting a 1911 at a public allowed indoor range was $30 for 10 rds of hard ball.To make matters worse the gun was chained to the shooting station walls on both sides.

I returned about 2 years ago.

So,who are the Cirillo,Allard,Jordan et al of today?
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Stakeout; toting big Bill Allard out into the night was pulled off by some of us in Boot Camp. Talk about being totally confused when they awake is comical.

Cirillo, Allard, Jordan of today? Not sure we have them anymore. They are now legends, like gunfighters of the old west. Seems the media and left tolerate crime and rights of criminals more than honest folks rights.

I don't want to sound like the bad one, Col Askins, but heck with them if they can't take a joke or bullet.

Stake, tales of the old Wild West is what many want to hear.

Stake sir, the known legends are gone, Cirillo, Allard is in hiding perhaps and Jordan. What we do know is there were more legends. Men who walked the walk and lived to tell their tale.

Sometimes a legend is reluctant to step up or speak up. Most often we want to hear the recently found legends story.

We all know an eyewitness to a crime is not always the best evidence as they are not trained and input their own experiences or fail to observe all.

We also know that 2 or more people can look at an event and see slightly different things or tell the same story differently.

Stake, you are one of the living and walking legends. You walked the walk. I for one admire your ability to be successful in a dangerous situation.

All you saw, heard and participated in would be great history and future LE folks might read one thing that could save them later.

Stake if you are willing to share I'm sure a ghost writer could be found.

When I was younger I spoke with vets of WW I and WW II. I now wish I had asked more questions and documented it. Now it is too late.

Your information and stories too are part of history and need to be preserved.

Small things like Jim showing up at home after forgetting his son at shoot or tiptoeing outside with Bill and his bunk are priceless insights to men of accomplishment, it shows the human side and are funny. Today Jim would have to arrest himself for child abandonment. :)

Hope you are settled in down in left Wing Austin and are able to shoot unchained guns and it's cheaper than $30 bucks for 10 rounds.

Duane.
 
I'm actually situated just a bit outside NW Austin in beautiful Cedar Park

A restaurant owner that had an All You Can Eat offer was terrified watching Bill Allard eat.

I recall being pursued on the New York State Thruway while driving my new 1970 Grand Prix with JC and 4 other pistol team members aboard by a rookie trooper that thought my car and occupants matched the description of bank robbers the just hit a bank nearby Greece NY.It got really hairy once I noticed him and pulled over.We were surrounded by his backup.Luckily no shots were fired.

We had just departed the range and were heading back to the big apple on the east bound side of the Truway when the trooper going west made a U turn across the median.I saw him eyeball me when he passed going the other way in his unmarked car so I watch him in my mirror.Instict told me something was up and he was coming after us.I wasn't speeding or doing anything illegal at the time.
We stayed in the car and stayed frozen obeying all commands that surely avoided a bad situation.Later Jimmy talked about a fear of friendly fire and officers responding to reports of shots fired at unkown to them stake out locations.

Working a long side the masters,I was the apprentice.
 
I think a lot would depend on where you are facing trouble.

Cirillo for NYC - his street smarts in that city would count for a lot to anticipate trouble.

Jordan for almost anywhere else - lightning fast, and uncannily accurate even when point shooting.

Both had been there and done that.

However, I would prefer to be backup to THEM rather than the other way around!

John
 
If I were on the border fifty or 75 years ago, I'd want Jordan. For just about any other eventuality I'd have any reasonable chance of getting into, Cirillo. So, overall, Cirillo.

Cirillo, Allard, Jordan of today? Not sure we have them anymore. They are now legends, like gunfighters of the old west. Seems the media and left tolerate crime and rights of criminals more than honest folks rights.
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The legends are still out there, especially in the big city. However they don't generally write books about just doing their jobs, and in other cases, the statute of limitations tends to be fairly lengthy.
 
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