Why are people shedding 9's?

Arik said:
It's all the same here. Some sell 40 for 9, others 9 for 45 or 45 for 40. There's always a mix of used guns at the lgs. Some don't like the ammo, others don't like the gun..

I own all 3.

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Some are impulsive and want a new gun without waiting and saving, and the old gun has trade in value. Compare the gun store to a car dealership. The new ones are over here, used over there.

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I'll take a 45, 40, 9mmm, or 380 over a hammer or a pipe any day for self defense.

Call it what you want, but any gun is better than no gun.

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SgtLumpy said:
This ^^^ mirrors what I've seen. 9 and 40 are the two calibers that I've seen abundantly available throughout the tightest period of what some call the "ammo shortage".

It may be worth noting that my perception of "ammo shortage" is not based on the inability to buy one box at a time at Wally's.


Sgt Lumpy
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Sgt Lumpy,
I am in the Valley as well. Where are you finding an abundance of 9mm? I shoot .40 and my husband shoots 9mm. I generally have no trouble finding .40, but haven't had much luck finding 9 locally.
Thanks!
 
I don't know of anyone that has dropped the nine. But I never cared to know anyway.

People change calibers for a variety of reasons. Ammo availability, caliber consolidation, and just plain old ignorance or inexperience who believe everything thing read on the internet.:rolleyes:

Around here 9MM guns sell best.
 
I generally do not like to shop at wally world for ammunition, but this morning I walked over to sporting goods and they had a good amount of ammo. No 22lr but I did get 3 boxes of 100 rounds for my shield 9mm for $23.00!!

I would like to get a .40 for fun, but I am completely content and very happy with my 9mm.
 
kpow67 said:
Sgt Lumpy,
I am in the Valley as well. Where are you finding an abundance of 9mm? I shoot .40 and my husband shoots 9mm. I generally have no trouble finding .40, but haven't had much luck finding 9 locally.
Thanks!
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Hey there, Mrs. KPow67!

Please forgive me if I am "preaching to the choir". :o

But, we live in the Tucson area where your choices for local purchases of ammunition are even more limited than the Phoenix area. As a result, most of ours arrives via UPS of FedEx, usually in case lots to keep shipping costs reasonable.

As a result, on-line shopping has become an art form. One of the better sources of information about what is available across a variety of vendors is Ammoseek.com where you can easily search by caliber and type and see the results ordered by the cost per round.

At this moment, even in that wider listing, it appears that .40 S&W is more readily available in the "range fodder" price ranges. But, if you are hoping to help your husband find 9mm, there are some offerings in the same $0.40 or less range the reflects my pain point. Admittedly, there are fewer 9mm listings, but the bottom of the 9mm range appears to be a little lower than the .40 S&W range, in their listings.

Other than some Federal .38 special SJHP on GunBroker.com for our "new to us" revolvers, I haven't purchased much ammo in the last couple of years. Back when I was buying, my goal was .40 S&W JHP at $0.35 a round or less, delivered. At the time there was quite a selection of Winchester Ranger JHP ammo on-line from contract over runs and is was oftern easy to beat that price goal. Those were the days . . . ;)

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Ignore that mean looking expanded bullet. This stuff makes really neat round holes in paper targets at the range, especially compared to the torn puncture marks made by more rounded ball ammo. In my limited experience, the on-line price has always been hard to match locally even with the FMJ ammo.

Here's wishing you best of luck with your searches!
 
kpow67 said:
Sgt Lumpy,
I am in the Valley as well. Where are you finding an abundance of 9mm?...
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I'm not a good source of "local" ammo information, as I don't buy it one box at a time. But I did see tons of 9mm at Cabela's in Glendale a week ago when I was there looking for something else.

I see some right now at UNAMMO locally, four styles of 115 gr. (plus tracers)

Gunbot will reveal a lot of choices.


Sgt Lumpy
 
Never really noticed any "shedding" goin on around here. Have noticed a lack of certain 9mm pistols though.
I own just about one if ever caliber out there, multiples in 9mm and .38 Special. Pays your money and takes your choice they all work about the same and in the end its just a bullet.
I did just dump a Glock 17, and am on the lookout for a Beretta 92 or another 3rd Gen Smith. And another German SIG would be swell too!
Dale
 
Thanks, Tucson. I'm getting really adept at online ammo shopping these days. In fact, all of the 9mm I've purchased in the past few months has been online.
 
SgtLumpy said:
I'm not a good source of "local" ammo information, as I don't buy it one box at a time. But I did see tons of 9mm at Cabela's in Glendale a week ago when I was there looking for something else.

I see some right now at UNAMMO locally, four styles of 115 gr. (plus tracers)

Gunbot will reveal a lot of choices.


Sgt Lumpy
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Thanks, Sgt Lumpy.
I'm guessing it is a timing thing - and my timing has been poor - as multiple trips to Cabelas in the past couple of months have yielded zilch (well, I get my .40 when I'm there, anyway).

Not familiar with Gunbot. Have to check that out.
 
I just gifted my Son one of my nines but, I still have 4 and do carry them. I also have two 40's and a 380. My local Wally Worlds are still bare on 9 and 40 and 45 and 380 most of the time when I go looking.
 
My only question is, How dead do yo want them? Be it a 9, 40, 45 or the almost forgotten 38 spl. any one can make a BG leak. Remember, shot placement.

By the way any gun needing a new home can come to my house, except a RG66.

Good Luck
 
Some people feel the need to "be different" or feel like they are trendy.

I don't own a 40, likely never will. Just not a fan. Does that make it bad? Nope. If you like it, good! If not, that's ok, too.

Wonderful that we have so many options and choices!
 
The friend I mentioned who has shedded all his 9's is a county sheriff. I didn't ask him why he did it, but I think I will now.
He just had Kahr make him a custom .40 which is about the size of an LC9.
 
9 mm still around here in NH. I carry a 38 here and a 9 mm in FL.
Our soldiers carry a 9 mm. That says something to me.
Yiogo
 
I prefer the 9 in the small carry pistols. (think Kahr PM9) The .40 in that size gun is just not workable for my large hand do to recoil. In anything from an officers model on up I am back to .45. Here in the land of the stoner they can not sell the full sized 9mm. because of the "highly intelligent" magazine capacity issue. I don't know about you, but I feel safer already. The .40 full size guns are still here because most of them hold less than the deadly 16 rnds.
 
I didn't shed my 9x19mm P35. It sits in the safe and is taken out every couple years for some low recoil target shooting.

My preference is to carry personnel defense pistols in calibers that start with a 4 (usually a .45 ACP). And, through research and testing, believe there's a major difference in stopping power between the 9x19mm and the 10mm short (commonly referred to as the 40 S&W).

Again, these are my preferences and opinions... you are entitled to yours.
 
I don't think the trend today is moving away from the 9x19. From what I gather the 9x19 seems to be getting most of the attention. I think this has been reflected by the plethora of 9x19 compacts, sub-compacts and micros released in the last few years all driven by the ever increasing CCW demand today.

Most often stated reason for folks going (back) to the 9x19 is that in the past 9mm bullets were marginal at best. Folks feel that today's bullet technology has made up for the difference in calibers and bullet weights.

Subjective recoil is another factor in the equation and I would agree that follow up shots are quicker in the 9x19 for those who don't practice enough or don't have much experience - which is a category many CCW holders fall in to.

9mm ammunition tends to be cheaper due to the lighter bullet weights used per round compared to the 40s and 45s, and money continues to be a driver in people's decision making process.

Police departments you read that are going back to 9's are likely doing so for some of the very same reasons.

I will stay 40s and 45s, but am still keeping my 9s for special occasions.
 
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B3500 said:
I don't think the trend today is moving away from the 9x19. From what I gather the 9x19 seems to be getting most of the attention. I think this has been reflected by the plethora of 9x19 compacts, sub-compacts and micros released in the last few years all driven by the ever increasing CCW demand today.

Most often stated reason for folks going (back) to the 9x19 is that in the past 9mm bullets were marginal at best. Folks feel that today's bullet technology has made up for the difference in calibers and bullet weights.

Subjective recoil is another factor in the equation and I would agree that follow up shots are quicker in the 9x19 for those who don't practice enough or don't have much experience - which is a category many CCW holders fall in to.

9mm ammunition tends to be cheaper due to the lighter bullet weights used per round compared to the 40s and 45s, and money continues to be a driver in people's decision making process.

Police departments you read that are going back to 9's are likely doing so for some of the very same reasons.

I will stay will stay 40s and 45s, but am still keeping my 9s for special occasions.
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Very well said!
 
B3500 said:
I will stay will stay 40s and 45s, but am still keeping my 9s for special occasions.
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I totally agree with your whole post, but didn't want to quote the whole thing. I chose 9mm over 40 due to I had the same gun in 9mm and 40. The 40 is all fine and good but I fell in love with the 9mm. I love my 1911s though.

I think the big thing about 9mm is people went tactical and light. The general public chooses the semi auto polymers over revolvers, and 9mm is big enough to stop someone and small enough for a lighter recoil and higher magazine capacity. The 40 is perceived to have more stopping power and more recoil with almost the same magazine capacity, while the 45 is even more recoil and power but less magazine capacity.

I think people shed the 9mm in favor of the perception that it's almost the same magazine capacity but it's more powerful round.

I'm not saying the 40 is or isn't better than 9mm, I'm just saying I'll choose 40 over a pipe, and I'll choose 9mm over a 40.

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Protected One said:
I know, but the Walmart clerk even let me get a box of .380 Federal Hydra Shock, which I took because it's rare to find.:cool:
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You are lucky. Don't let my wife know! She wasn't happy when she found out Walmart's new shipment of ammo did not include any 380. They are out and have been for weeks now.
 
thebeamanater107 said:
...I think people shed the 9mm in favor of the perception that it's almost the same magazine capacity but it's more powerful round.
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That's what I think. I'm pretty convinced the overwhelming majority of gun owners read a lot of opinions, shoot very little and essentially never get involved in a gunfight. They switch bullet styles and calibers and magazine capacities based on the latest opinion on some online forum. They're convinced that "If I shoot him with THIS bullet instead of THAT bullet, I'll save my family's lives". "I heard of a guy that didn't go down when shot by a 9". "Nine won't penetrate a windshield (car body, heavy jacket, whatever) and I might need to". etc.


Sgt Lumpy
 
I patrol the consignment cases fairly often & haven't noticed any sort of trend lately except that there are actually guns in them. :D

Don't own a fotay myself & the only reason I have a nine is that it was cheap and I'd bought one for the wife. Darned if I was gonna start reloading a caliber & not get to shoot any of it. ;)
 
S&W HE said:
I didn't shed my 9x19mm P35. It sits in the safe and is taken out every couple years for some low recoil target shooting.

My preference is to carry personnel defense pistols in calibers that start with a 4 (usually a .45 ACP). And, through research and testing, believe there's a major difference in stopping power between the 9x19mm and the 10mm short (commonly referred to as the 40 S&W).

Again, these are my preferences and opinions... you are entitled to yours.
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Well sir, you would be correct, it's all opinion. As far as research, this is all I need to know right here.
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Bigger will almost always be better depending on the platform. But I fail to see why anyone would degrade the 9MM when compared to something that starts with a four. I find such thinking close minded and unrealistic.

Again, just my opinion. We will live and die by our choices. But if I shoot a bad guy three times to your two, what's the difference? One round? I would gladly trade recoil with capacity. But again this depends on the gun.

If you can shoot your chosen gun in the caliber you prefer quickly and accurately I commend you. But I find that many can't. They suffer from the "big bullet" syndrome thinking that less rounds will be needed to stop the threat. Such thinking proves that they truly don't understand that handguns are not very good at stopping someone. Which is why I will choose capacity over caliber any day.

These people also don't understand that just because you shoot someone, they aren't just going to fall down. Some may. Some may not. And they think that waiting for the bad guy to bleed out is a good thing.:rolleyes:

So....If someone has chosen their gun AND caliber based on their ability to shoot it accurately and quickly and are able to repeat the process then they have chosen wisely.
 
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