Why are ported revolvers so bad?

Friend of mine had a 3" Horton 29. He let me shoot it with my 265g cast load over 22g W296/H110.

I got through 5 rounds and handed it back.

Fast forward to my own 3" 629-2 that I had Mag-Na-Ported with the same load.

I could shoot it all day, I shoot it one handed at times and it has wood Hogue grips.

Porting works.
 
Can't speak for ported revolvers, never shot one. But I just installed a KKM barrel in my M&P 9L PC. Don't feel any differance in muzzle flip and my front sight was clean after the first steady 200 rds. The ported barrel fouled out my sight after only a few rds. It's nice to see the front sight on target again.

Nothing against ported, just found it wasn't for me, and enjoy shooting the gun again.
 
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I have 2 ported short barrels...M629 3" and a M29-2, 2-1/2".
They have less recoil in my opinion, using the same ammo, than a 6" barrel M29. They have a "softer" recoil.

Sure there is flash...I load with H110 and 2400. It flashes! Some complain of the the report being louder and different. They're right, it is, you can hear the difference. But you still wear hearing protection either way.

So, the benefit to me...softer recoil with full loads. Why shoot a .44 mag. with soft loads anyway? Why spend money on soft loads for a magnum. Get a .22 K frame and save money.
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I would never buy a ported gun. I would go with a smaller caliber if need be.
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OK, maybe it’s time to get serious; but, this is a cantankerous subject; and I’m not overly fond of getting into arguments on an internet gun forum.

I’m a Certified Pistol Instructor; (I know, ‘big deal’.) and, from where I usually stand, (just behind and off a shooter’s right-hand shoulder) I’ve often watched someone shoot, and thought to myself that getting a student to handle a pistol correctly is a lot like teaching a kid how to eat hot oatmeal cereal!

If the older kids have nothing positive to say about eating hot oatmeal then the younger kids are not going to like eating it, either; BUT, if a youngster never hears anything else except how good hot oatmeal cereal is, then, he’s simply not going to have a problem with eating hot oatmeal. (Makes sense, right!)

Now, about Mag-na-porting: I’ve got an entire gun safe full of ported pistols; some are revolvers; and some are semiautomatics. Many of them I’ve been shooting for more than 35 years. So, it’s safe to say that I’m very well experienced with what a shooter can, and cannot do with a ported pistol.

TO BEGIN WITH - AND JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN LIFE - YOU’VE GOT TO KNOW HOW TO USE A PARTICULAR TOOL, CORRECTLY, IN ORDER TO USE IT WELL.

In all the time that I’ve been using MUZZLE-PORTED barrels I’ve never singed my eyebrows - Not even once! Neither have I ever lost either my visual acuity, or my night vision, and/or the sight-picture! I should add that I’ve never noticed any louder-than-usual muzzle blast. It might be there; but I haven’t noticed it. The pistol’s always going to go, ‘Bang’ - Right! Neither have I ever set my clothes on fire. (What highly creative idiot came up with that one?)

In my experience the subjects of: (1) ‘pistol barrel muzzle-porting’, or (2) ‘pistol barrel AND slide porting’, and/or (3) ‘pistol barrel MUZZLE-COMPENSATING’ are some of the most confused and misunderstood handgun topics on (almost) everybody’s favorite firearms website. Frankly, I don't know where the gunzine writers come up with a lot of this stuff about ported pistols being too loud, or too dangerous, or too blinding.

GUNS ARE LOUD; SOMETIMES DEBILITATINGLY LOUD; AND I EXPECT GUNS TO BE LOUD, TOO!

Moreover, compensated muzzles are the loudest of all. (Because I started shooting at a very young age and with a group of Korean War veterans who never would have, so much as, dreamed of wearing ear muffs, I’ve got the tinnitus to prove it, too! Argh!)

I suppose it’s, ‘possible’ to burn your clothing when firing from retention; but, in over 50 years of doing this sort of thing I don’t know anyone - not even one single shooter - who has! (It's, also, ‘possible’ to shoot skeet with a pistol and occasionally hit something, too!)

If you hold a ported pistol at center-chest as well as either under your chin, or in front of your face - YUPPERS! - you might splatter your face with unburned powder and forcing cone residue. You might also singe your eyebrows, or hit yourself in the nose with the back of the slide! All these things ARE possible. The salient point is that no pistolero who has acquired experience using a ported pistol is going to make one of these pathetically obvious mistakes!

When firing from retention a ported pistol shooter has to be savvy enough - savvy enough - to slightly cant the pistol away from his body. (Brilliant, huh!) This is easy enough to do IF you know how; but, …… most people have never even thought about doing it!

Proper technique with a ported pistol requires a shooter to take a step backwards before firing from retention at center chest. and, then, push the muzzle out and towards the target. Fire from the solar plexus rather than from directly in front of the heart, or (worse) from directly underneath the chin. (Again brilliant, huh!)

Can’t do any of these things because there’s just no room, you got rushed, or pushed off balance? OK, then it’s time to go H2H! Use an instep to rake the attacker’s shins, or a thumb to gouge an eye!

There’s, both, a right time and a wrong time to attempt to use a pistol. Me? I don’t like trying to reach for a gun when an attacker is already right on top of me. ‘Why?’ Because if the other guy is close enough to be able to successfully grab my pistol, then, that is NOT the right time for me to be attempting to draw a gun. (I need to do something else!)

So much for all of the usual nonsense about the imagined disadvantages of using a ported pistol at extreme close range. Instead, of goofing around with all of this too popular pistol gunfighting baloney it’s important to remember to use BOTH the right tool, and the proper technique for whatever tactical situation you might suddenly find yourself in.

Now, is the front sight going to become, ‘sooted over’? More nonsense! I’ve been doing this for (What?) more than 35 years; and, in all that time, I’ve never had my front sight go entirely black; and, even if it did start to, ‘soot over’ there ain’t nothing wrong with a black front sight; and, so far, I’ve yet to completely lose a tritium dot, or a red bar on one of my ported pistols.

Is a shooter going to be blinded by the port-flash? No, I don’t think this could happen, even, with black powder; and, no again, nothing like this has ever happened to me! Any flash that shows up is going to be too brief, too sporadic, and the shooter’s concentration on BOTH his front sight picture, AND the target will cause him to tend to, ‘look through’ any momentary distraction.

(Besides, not all gunpowder flashes in the same way; and, of those powders that might tend to, the flash is sure to be intermittent. Some rounds will flash more; and other rounds will flash less! Just remember that: If you’re doing things right then you’re going to be looking at your front sight and the target, and NOT at the flash.)

In more than three decades of using muzzle-ported pistols and doing these things day after day, after day, I have never - not even once - lost either my visual acuity, or night vision while firing a muzzle-ported pistol; and I’m talking about firing well over 30 or 40 thousand rounds of (pistol) ammunition!

Does pistol muzzle-porting work? (We are NOT talking about barrel muzzle-compensation, here, OK!) This topic is strictly limited to pistol barrel muzzle-porting. (Got it!) Yes, it definitely works, and often works very well; but a lot of the performance characteristics depend upon: the size, the shape, the location, and the number of ports.

For instance: The type of large (really large) muzzle-ports that S&W uses on many of their magnum revolvers works exceedingly well for both slow fire, and single shots. I don’t use large ports on my pistols; I use long thin EDM slits, instead. 'Why?' Because it’s a little known fact that:

THE FASTER A MUZZLE-PORTED PISTOL SHOOTER FIRES THE MORE RECOIL AND FRONT SIGHT DWELL TIME REDUCTION IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE.

A large muzzle port isn’t needed in order to control the, ‘front sight bounce’ on a muzzle-ported pistol; but, multiple slits might be. Moreover, ‘slit-ports’ are more desirable to have on a semiautomatic pistol. I’ve talked to several different gun manufacturers about this; and, generally speaking, typical recoil reduction is anywhere from 8 to 15 percent while a similar reduction in slide momentum; and/or (when it’s done correctly) operational gas volume is reduced by no more than 5 to 8 percent.

Finally, a little more needs to be said about noise: Is the discharge from a ported pistol going to be too loud? I have to wonder: ‘Too loud to whom - to whom?

At the range a shooter is going to be wearing ear muffs; and on the street I very much doubt that - no matter what degree of, ‘auditory exclusion’ might be experienced - the sound of a ported pistol going off will be perceived as being too loud.

(This is NOT true for centerfire rifles, and shotguns, though, OK! Whenever I’m standing close to, or in line with the muzzle the, ‘boom’ from a CF rifle, or shotgun will rock me, every time!)

With this said, I’ve walked away from any number of shooting experiences where I wasn’t wearing hearing protectors of any kind; and, for whatever mysterious reasons, my hearing remained completely normal and unaffected.

(‘Why’ this happens is a mystery that both myself, and several other shooters I know are unable to explain; but I’ve had it happened several times to me; and I know of a couple of other shooters who’ve experienced the same sort of auditory exclusion. None of us know, ‘Why?’)

I’m going to close by posting a picture of my most recently acquired 9 x 19mm pistol. There are all different types of pistol porting. Me? If for no other reason than having an absolutely minimal effect on slide momentum, I prefer to use only pistols that are muzzle-ported.

My slit muzzle-ported EDC Model 19 -
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A slit muzzle-port after firing 100 rounds of filthy dirty WWB!
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Had my 4" and 6.5" Model 29s Mag-Na-Ported. Fired 10,000+ full house 44 magnums through the 4" and 8,000+ through the 6.5" with nary a problem other than a wee bit of lead deposits on the front sights that took about four seconds to clean. Recoil reduction/muzzle flip was much more noticeably reduced on the 4" when compared to the 6.5". Do it again? Absolutely the best money that can be spent on a handgun following a high quality trigger job by master gunsmith Ed Pitt. Blowback to the face...never. Enhanced resale...yup! ANY negatives...no way! I am pretty certain Larry Kelly has Mag-Na-Ported all of God's guns in Heaven by now because He appreciates the benefits and appearance of Larry's handiwork.
 
Ported Revolver

My first handgun was a M19-3 .357 (still have it) We have now two other .357 magnum revolvers (686 and a Rossi) None of them are ported. I fired tons of semi auto rounds (9mm and .45) in Special ops but still I love my revolvers.

So I went all in and bought the SW500 magnum 6.5" barrel. Of course its ported with 6 small holes directing some gasses straight up. I have to admit if I had the choice I probably would rather not have the porting if it reduces noise a bit; that thing is loud. However, I have never felt anything like hot gas or particles of any kind hit me anywhere while shooting. I cant say there is a negative for me except noise, but then again how quiet can a 500SW Magnum be anyways?

I think every hand gun owner should shoot 100 rnds or so from a big bore handgun (.500 or close to) whether they want one/own one or not. Then, a .357 or a .40 (even a.45) will not seem like something one would need porting for reduced recoil. Now, if a ported version of your weapon really does keep it on target for follow up shots that's a different story and may be worth it.

Bottom line, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks or says. If you feel you need porting, great, If you don't like it, fine.

Resale value only comes into play for collector guns you don't really shoot anyway, so just don't drill holes in them.

 
I'd jump at the chance to shoot the same gun back to back with one being ported and the other being a regular barrel just to experience the difference in person.



I have a 686 with the power port, my brother has a 686 without. I can tell you shooting them back to back there is a big difference. The power port has a much softer felt recoil and is very pleasant to shoot. My wife will shoot my 686 and has no issues. She shot my brothers one time and said she will never shoot it again.
As far as one being louder than the other, they're both loud and not sure there is any difference.

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I had a Ruger Super Blackhawk that was Magnaported. Could not tell ANY difference between ported or not ported with the exception that after Magnaporting it spit carbon and lead all over the front sight.. Waste of money in my opinion.
 
I had a Ruger Super Blackhawk that was Magnaported. Could not tell ANY difference between ported or not ported with the exception that after Magnaporting it spit carbon and lead all over the front sight.. Waste of money in my opinion.



I have a shotgun that is Magna-Ported and I agree. I don't feel the Magna-Porting did squat and was a waste.


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A lot of **** flying around on this thread. This used to be my wife's self-defense gun, she now prefers a 2.5" 686. It's a Taurus Mdl 85. Without porting it was very uncomfortable to shoot, with porting it's an easy shooter. The factory machined 6 conical ports angled to the side not straight up. -rick

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Taurus 85 ported 2 by alazgr8, on Flickr
 
Why are ported revolvers so bad?
So many times I read negative comments made about ported guns.

I would not classify it as being bad, but the cost to benefit isn't there until you get into the heavy calibers and even then some may question that.
Secondly any benefit has to be ported correctly and not by the home made gunsmith with a power drill.

S&W a month or so ago now has a PC ported semi-automatic that 'ole hickok45 tested out to an un-ported one and he said it was barely noticeable. The trade-off is potential hot gas's blowing back your way.

If you are running an auto loader and have trouble controlling the muzzle flip and you have a rail on it you would be better served by adding weigh and there is a company out there who makes a weight for Glocks anyway and possibly others.

A revolver is one thing and then perhaps only in a real hand cannon.
All the rest of it may in fact be nothing more than just another marketing gimmick. But I suppose psychologically it's relevant.

You'll never hear me criticize you as long as you don't try to convince me I need to do it. I sort of enjoy a little shake-rattle and roll sometimes when I set BIG Hoss off with over 400 lbs of energy at the muzzle and it's shooting like a flame thrower.

Don't worry about what anyone says, it's your money.
 
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I've fired exactly one ported revolver, so I am quite an expert.

It is this no-dash 66, which I got from a retired agent who was one of the founding members of the Hostage Rescue Team. He wanted my Marlin Camp Carbine to teach a grandkid to shoot. I didn't know it was ported until I got it.



He shot some folks, but I'm not sure if he used this gun. I like the way it shoots - 145 grain Silvertips are a breeze out of it.



I don't think I would pay to have it done, but I like the way this gun handles and have no plans to part with it.
 
I've fired exactly one ported revolver, so I am quite an expert.

Well that makes you more of an expert than some people on some Internet boards.

This is an interesting topic in that some people say porting makes a huge difference and made a gun that was painful to shoot before porting into a gun that's a pleasure to shoot.

And others say it makes no difference at all.

I know my 2.5" 629 is nicer to shoot than I expected, but have no similar guns to compare it against -- hence my starting this thread.

I have to say the answer is clear as mud.

Now I think I'll start a thread about the best SD caliber. :)
 

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