Why is the Flight or Fight response to imminent danger important in self defense?

[ogilvyspecial]

I just want to say something to any of the gun newbies who may be reading
this, not to mention any other threads in a similar vein.

Running "what if" scenarios through your mind isn't what you would call training.

Hands on, repetitive motion is what your sub conscious will fall back on in a pinch.

 

[accessbob]

I just want to say something to any of the gun newbies who may be reading
this, not to mention any other threads in a similar vein.

Running "what if" scenarios through your mind isn't what you would call training.

Hands on, repetitive motion is what your sub conscious will fall back on in a pinch.

No, it isn't training. But it is making a conscious decision on what you would do in a specific circumstance which if you haven't thought about it before hand CAN lead to indecision in a moment when indecision can kill you. I'm not saying it replaces training by any means. It doesn't. But it can supplement especially in scenarios which are not within your means for which to physically train.

 

[ogilvyspecial]

No, it isn't training. But it is making a conscious decision on what you would do in a specific circumstance which if you haven't thought about it before hand CAN lead to indecision in a moment when indecision can kill you. I'm not saying it replaces training by any means. It doesn't. But it can supplement especially in scenarios which are not within your means for which to physically train.

I guess I'm at the age where I've had enough experiences where I've said to myself, "Boy, that sure didn't turn out like I thought it would" to know that, while some things might "look good on paper", it all goes out the window when whatever it is really happens.

I want my sub conscious to be totally focused on just a few, critical, things in what will probably be a, fluid, very short time-frame. Those few things are, getting my gun into action while seeking cover and hitting what I'm shooting at and not trying to figure out why things aren't going like I thought they would.

I do play "what if's" almost everyday of my life, only when doing so I'm usually out in public and those what if's pertain to where I am at any given time and deals with things like, where is my cover, right now, "if" something did go down......

 

[cshoff]

I just want to say something to any of the gun newbies who may be reading
this, not to mention any other threads in a similar vein.

Running "what if" scenarios through your mind isn't what you would call training.

Hands on, repetitive motion is what your sub conscious will fall back on in a pinch.

I disagree. Visualization is an important (and valid) training technique that can be used to prepare for the moments leading up to a lethal force encounter, as well as the period of time after the encounter. We can visualize many more scenarios than we will ever be able to set up on a training range. Visualization training allows us to think through a scenario in many different ways and to think out our possible responses to those situations.

That said, it is not adequate if used alone. Clearly, it takes proper physical training to be able to reliably perform any physical task under stress. It is impossible to develop multifaceted response plans if our training is one dimensional.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I guess I'm at the age where I've had enough experiences where I've said to myself, "Boy, that sure didn't turn out like I thought it would" to know that, while some things might "look good on paper", it all goes out the window when whatever it is really happens.

That's been an ongoing theme throughout my life.

 

[keith44spl]

What with all this science discussion goin on...
How do ya get rid of that pesky copper taste after ya jest survived a lit'l dust up?

Su Amigo,
Dave

 

[jlrhiner]

What with all this science discussion goin on...
How do ya get rid of that pesky copper taste after ya jest survived a lit'l dust up?

Su Amigo,
Dave

With me, it was tequila. Fortunately, I grew up

 

[WC145]

I have studied self defense and Martial Arts. I am also a health care professional and have studied human physiology. Here is another reference for a person with a reputation and has a masters degree. He has participated as an expert witness. His name is Marc MacYoung. Marc MacYoung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Here is a biography of the person. Here is a long paper about Self-Defense which I think would be a good read for anyone on here. No Nonsense Self Defense - Reliable information for dangerous situations. You know I have left references here APS and its just brings on criticisms and I don't know what I am talking about.

Sometimes people trained as police officers forget that not everyone has been trained as they are. What may be instinctive for them may not be that way for less trained individuals.

Instead of knocking everything I say take the time to read what he wrote, which is free online, and just maybe my constant critics will learn something. The main thing about this is having a CCW and a gun leave large gaps in your defense if you don't include avoid and awareness to name a few. Avoiding a confrontation or fight is the best way to avoid liability, arrest, injury, a damage suit, prison, having to have to work with police, and being caught up in a court case either against a criminal and/or being sued for liability because the DA feels you used excessive force. I would encourage people to read what he wrote. Just maybe people might learn something on this forum.

Nobody knows it all. There are always new things to learn. There are always new concepts to learn and the more you know the more you don't know. I expect an answer like I don't know what I am talking about and Mr. MacYoung is full of beans and is no expert. Maybe just one person could read what he wrote on this link completely with an open mind they might learn something. In Conclusion there is a of lot more to self defense than have taking a class to get a CCW, having a CCW, and owning a gun. What happens if you don't have your gun with you then what are we going to do if confronted, attacked, robbed, an upset potential assailant, a crazy person with a knife, etc?

I have to apologize, I apparently missed your answer to my inquiry on your training and background until now. I do appreciate you finally responding to the question.

I'm familiar with the works of Mark "The Animal" MacYoung, but reading something doesn't make you an expert or an authority on anything. You're not getting any respect here because you're not speaking from experience, you're regurgitating someone else's work as though it's your own and, until now, haven't even given any credit to the originator.

If you have trained in martial arts, have studied anatomy and physiology, are employed in some aspect of health care, and feel that those personal experiences give you some insight on a subject, then speak from that perspective. You'll get a lot more respect from other people that way. Opening a discussion with, "Hey, we had a patient last night that got shot and this was how it happened and I thought this about that -- yadayadayada -- what do you guys think?" or "I read this from Joe Blow and I can see how it might work but I might change this or that because -- yadayadayada -- do any of you have any thoughts or experiences to add?" or even "I was thinking and.....", or something similar is going to give you a platform to express your thoughts and ideas without coming off like you're lecturing on things you don't know anything about. That's the issue with your posts - people with experience can see through what you're writing and are calling you out on it and you have nothing to back it up as you would if it was actually your original thoughts that you were posting.

 

[bp231986]

its all about being mentally prepared and knowing your responsibilities as a gun owner. Every situation will be different and so will be the reaction. If possible avoid the situation, but as soon as your life is at risk act accordingly.

 

[Chuck1217]

I have said before that I indeed imagine scenarios which I might face, and think thru what I would do. Even walked thru some of them - but after a few years of forums, and a lot of reading, (a lot of reading what folks say here!) I have decided that whatever scenario I practice probably will NOT be what happens. So many variables it's impossible to be fully prepared. Thus, as in sirrdukes other essay, it boils down to common sense. Yes, we can train to draw and shoot, we can contact a lawyer and try and be prepared for what-comes-after..My first thought after reading both essays was as some others believe- here we go again. But as I think about it, there are always new folks coming in that some of this may actually help. I just hope it helps by learning they also need to consult real pro trainers, and as mentioned , read what folks like Ayoob, Clint Smith write- and put very little faith in internet-advisors. Yes, there are new folks- but could we keep it shorter, like...'There are many things to consider, I would suggest reading..suggest consulting....'
Whew, I can write a lot too when I get started!

 

[Poodle Soup]

I refuse to read to closely when people do not take the time to use paragraphs, but practice practice practice. When I pull my gun out of the holster and look down the safety is off, and I click it back on before I sit it down somewhere or re holster it. I don't think about it... just do it. And theres always a round chambered... the gun doesn't shoot if theres not.

What happens if you don't have your gun with you

I will hope I am never attacked while in the shower.

 

[Lost Lake]

I recently received my first degree black belt in TKD. I know enough to know that there's a lot more to learn.

My dojo master is an 8th degree black belt that teaches self defense nationally to police, security, etc. Always on the go. Very good at SD and teaching.

We practiced running every day. The first thing we were to do when faced with an assailant was to run, to get away. Only as a last resort would we fight, and then we were to fight until we were dead or incapacitated.

While martial arts look cool on TV, in real life it's completely different.

 

[arjay]

I will hope I am never attacked while in the shower.[/QUOTE]

Unless she's cute.