why no basic USGI 1911a1 clone?

[BigBill]

Why not a USGI 1911a1 clone?

No bells, no whistles, no frills just a basic, rock bottom, s&w shooter in blue or the world famous s&w nickel.

A nice looking 1911a1 clone made in America, that every American can be proud of made in America, by American workers for American shooters. It doesn't get any better than this.
Let's not forget the ones we left behind too.

S&w model "1911a1-POW-MIA" "We Remember and Will Never Forget" this on the slide both sides, again it doesn't get any better than this. Offer a true military version 1911. An awesome basic shooter. Maybe in bright nickel only slide and brushed nickel frame. In that true American caliber 45 AutoMatic Colt Post.

I think we have a true winner here.

 

[gm272gs]

I don't get it. Is this just your basic no-frills rant?

 

[Waywatcher]

I agree, until this part:

S&w model "1911a1-POW-MIA" "We Remember and Will Never Forget" this on the slide both sides, again it doesn't get any better than this. Offer a true military version 1911. An awesome basic shooter. Maybe in bright nickel only slide and brushed nickel frame.

I think this needs to be a truly basic, no-frills 1911--no ugly roll stamps on the slide, and only simple sights (no dots or bars or anything.) The two tone is also contrary to a basic, no frills 1911.

I like the concept a lot, I do, but I really want it to be truly basic with no frills.

 

[BigBill]

I like my women plain, I like my guns with no frills too not even with lip stick.

Ok two models one plain USGI MODEL, another decades to MIA-POW for the ones we lost who gave it there all who paid the ultimate price so we can continue the freedoms we enjoy to this day.

How about a short run of tribute 1911's too.

WW 1
WW 2
The Korean War
AFGANISTAN war
IRAQ WAR

How about the revolvers used in these wars too we never see them honored too?

In presentation wooden boxes.

Offer something really collectable to the market today something special

 

[THE PILGRIM]

How much are you willing to pay for this gun? Sounds like it would be a problem for the manufacturer unless they sell for a lot of money.
And I want a blue one, old school Colt 1911 blue.

 

[Mike Grasso]

Colt makes one, so does Springfield, I'd just buy the original.

Anyhow, Plain Jane 1911s are not real big seller anymore.
Other than CAS most buy Series 70s Plain Janes to build into customs.

I can't see S&W trying to market a pistol diehards will complain about because of the external extractor or a low end entry pistol after all the hype about all the great upgrades they did.

 

[cemeteryman]

I agree that a nice, unadulterated 1911 that is US made would be swell, particularly if it could be had for a good price. But I am not holding my breath. Plus you can still find clean pre-Series 70 Colts for a bit over a grand, which is only slightly more than what the Colt period reproductions cost nowadays.

Now if you turn it into some commemorative, plated, engraved, roll marked monstrosity like the stuff sold a few pages into each month's American rifleman, you will lose more market than you will gain.

 

[BigBill]

I don't want anymore colt products. I've had three with quality problems already. New ones.

I'm very happy with my s&w revolvers, if s&w offered there version even with the external extractor I could live with that if it was a no frills model in s&w world famous nickel finish.

 

[Mike Grasso]

Hmmm, no problem with my Colts..... LOL.

 

[BigBill]

I was so upset in losing $$ on new Colts I purchased every DVD/vhs on how to repair and build the 1911's.

A basic no frills usgi model.

 

[Mike Grasso]

Should of just sent them to the Custom Shop. Watching a DVD isn't going to get them repaired.
Taken me 20 years under some very fine Smith's and Armorer's to know my way around them.
Bet most of the problem was from magazines and no break in.

Mike

 

[da gimp]

I just never understood why S&W went from the original extractor type that John Moses Browning designed, which is very readily removed & replaced by anyone with only a ball point ink pen......... and went to a design that requires several tools, (a good bench to work on would be nice too).................When something has worked extremely well for nearly 100 years............. a major design change like the "outer extractor" is unneeded..

 

[BigBill]

Should of just sent them to the Custom Shop. Watching a DVD isn't going to get them repaired.
Taken me 20 years under some very fine Smith's and Armorer's to know my way around them.
Bet most of the problem was from magazines and no break in.

Mike

I built my Chinese norinco 1911a1 after watching the 1911 DVD's and the Jerry k vhs video and reading his 45cap shop manual.
I fitted a new USGI Surplus barrel along with a national match barrel bushing. I did all the fitting. My norc using the Russian wolf 45 cap ball ammo at 25 yards now shoots one three shot clover leaf per 8rd mag no matter who shoots it. I can't wait to shoot some target loads with it next. I have a 100% lock up in full battery. If you have a basic knowledge of hand tools and how things function along with the knowledge from the videos you can learn it. It's a matter of staying focused and motivated. With all my background in mechanics and machine building plus being a lead tech in the r&d engineering lad I found watching the videos helpful. I'm ready to build a 1911 from the bare frame up next. It costs more than a new basic 1911 but we can't put a price on the education I will get out of doing it. That's priceless.

I also had a brand new SA 1911a1 series 1990(1990 dated) in the safe that stove piped one round per eight round mag every time. It's been in the safe since 1990. I refuse to sell it because it was so Purdy in black park. After working on my norinco with the success I decided to look at my 1990 SA. I found the extractor was untuned. I tuned and tweaked the extractor and now she functions fine. It was a 10 minute fix.

I'm very happy doing my own work as I go soaking up all the knowledge as I can get.

You can do anything we put our minds to do. We only put barriers on ourselves.

I built cnc machines from 36" chucks to 144" Chuck lathes. I built machines for the 155mm howitzer for the US army, I built cnc machines for the Chrysler m1abrams tank turret bearing and the main engine turbine engine rotor. I been a car, light 4x4 truck, jeep mechanic from a teenager. I was a lead engineering tech for 20 years in an r&d test lab. I've done it all. Why not work on guns too.

A few of the European pistols use the external extractor too. I believe it allows the extractor to have more movement.

 

[BigBill]

I guess instead of having a name brand 1911 in nickel my choice is a RIA in nickel.

 

[Rpg]

I just never understood why S&W went from the original extractor type that John Moses Browning designed, which is very readily removed & replaced by anyone with only a ball point ink pen......... and went to a design that requires several tools, (a good bench to work on would be nice too).................When something has worked extremely well for nearly 100 years............. a major design change like the "outer extractor" is unneeded..

S&W most likely found it less expensive. The PR folks dreamed up the line that this was an improvement.

Just my opinion, of course.