Why so many cyclist having a death wish

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The bicyclists really make me shake my head. I rode motorcycle for years and we couldn't get away doing the things they do.
I saw a guy fixing something on his bike while his bike was in the curb lane while his wife and her bike were sitting in the grass on the side of the road not on the road. The look on the guys face as I looked at him was like he has every right to use the road. IMO he was a first class idiot.

I live out in the country not far from Houston and we get bikers all the time riding the country roads. These nuts ride 4 abreast and act like they are defying death. There could be plenty of space outside the curb line for them to ride out of traffic but oh no they have to ride out in the middle of the road. I am really surprised there aren't many of them killed by getting run over.

I guess their mommy never told them don't play in the street.
 
The one I almost hit I missed seeing until the last moment because, I believe, he started out being obstructed by the windshield molding on the left side (I was turning).

This is an increasing problem with modern cars. The demand for more crashworthy and aerodynamic cars has created vehicles with monstrous blindspots.
 
In 1984 I bought my little farm up the road from where I grew up. The house had been unlived-in for 2 years. On Thursday nights, The cyclists would park in my yard and go on a 20 mile work-out. They spray painted a "Start" line in the road, and up to 30 of them would be off. When They finished they would lounge around my yard.

I fixed the old water system so I could do renovations, but the well was contaminated by the leach bed! One Friday after work, I went to work on the house and the hose was running at full steam and had been since Thursday evening! I figured that a bunch of them got "a stomach flu" over the weekend.

I complained to a Deputy Sheriff and they moved out of my yard to a Church about 3/4 mile away. And since there was more parking, the crowd grew to 40 and sometimes 60 cyclists. The next summer on a Thursday night, a cyclist broke from the rear of the pack, went into the left lane to pass the pack on a curve and went head-on into a Chevy Vega! The Sheriff's office sent 3 cursers plus 2 OHP troopers to the fatal site. They cited 53 cyclists for street racing (a mandatory court appearance, several hundred $ fine + court costs and 6 points on your license). That did away with the huge packs for about 4 years. Unless I go out of my way to take the freeway (27 miles), I have a hard time driving the 15 miles to Church on nice Sundays!

Ivan
 
You guys have it easy. My neighborhood hosts the "Dirty Kanza" bike race every year, a 200 mile gravel road race through the Flint Hills. Apparently an international event, people are training around here all year. They change the route each year as well. Last year, we were working food plots in an area that happened to go through the course. These folks think a stop sign is just part of the local color. They ignore any and all traffic laws. Ended up almost taking several out with my tractor and my son had to put my truck in the ditch once to avoid hitting a couple of them. Now they've also started doing a nightime race. These idiots are riding after dark at all hours with very little in the way of illumination on the backroads traditionally used by teenage speed demons trying to beat the curfew clock and drunks trying to sneak home from the bar. Its amazing no one has been killed so far.
 
There could be plenty of space outside the curb line for them to ride out of traffic but oh no they have to ride out in the middle of the road.

I'll explain the thought process as to why a cyclist will ride in the middle of the lane as opposed to the edge. By riding in the middle of the lane, that forces the cars behind to slow down and wait for the oncoming lane to be empty before attempting a pass. If the cyclist stays to the right by the edge line, the car behind is more tempted to squeeze by even if there is an oncoming car. Also, the edge of the road, especially outside the curb line, is where trash and debris collect, making a flat tire more likely.
 
The reason so many bike riders ignore the rules of the road...Is because the POLICE will NOT enforce the laws!!!!

Maybe you could be more specific.

State Bike Laws | League of American Bicyclists

Laws vary by state and bicycles have the right to share the road in many cases.

In my area, Arkansas has no laws that specifically regulate the riding of bicycles on a roadway aside from general traffic laws. Therefore bicycles are to be driven upon the right half of the roadway except under the following circumstances:

When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing that movement;

When the right half of a roadway is closed to traffic while under construction or repair;
Upon a roadway divided into three (3) marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or

Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.

Source: Ark. Code Ann. §§27-49-111; 27-51-301
 
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Maybe you could be more specific.

State Bike Laws | League of American Bicyclists

Laws vary by state and bicycles have the right to share the road in many cases.

In my area, Arkansas has no laws that specifically regulate the riding of bicycles on a roadway aside from general traffic laws. Therefore bicycles are to be driven upon the right half of the roadway except under the following circumstances:

When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing that movement;

When the right half of a roadway is closed to traffic while under construction or repair;
Upon a roadway divided into three (3) marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or

Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.

Source: Ark. Code Ann. §§27-49-111; 27-51-301

a post that sure sounds like a bike rider .....

show me a state reg ..in any state that allows bike riders to ignore stop signs
 
There could be plenty of space outside the curb line for them to ride out of traffic but oh no they have to ride out in the middle of the road. I am really surprised there aren't many of them killed by getting run over.

Let me add some perspective.

In the big picture I ride on a regular basis and I'm the only male in my family over age 45 who hasn't got heart problems. So yes, I run some risk of getting hit my clueless drivers on the road, but it's lower than the risks I'd take sitting on the couch eating donuts.

I generally try to put in between 15 and 20 miles a day on my bike. At age 52 my knees won't tolerate the impact of running anymore so a good solid 60 to 90 minutes of biking with my heart rate around 145-150 bpm is how I maintain the cardio fitness and keep the weight off.

I generally stay on less traveled but still paved county roads and I try to stay away from the prime commuting hours.

I also wear a high visibility lime green shirt with matching helmet. At night, my Camelbak has reflective striping, I have a red taillight on the back, a head light on the front, reflective pedals and stripes on my shoes, and a pair of flashing lights on the back of my helmet.

I'm sure you're thinking that's great, proactive, responsible, etc, but you'll probably have a fit when I tell you I also ride about 3 feet out in the road from the fog line.

Why do I do that? Because riding on or inside the fog line makes me harder to see, even dressed in high visibility green. In addition, that the shoulder often disappears inside the fog line, forcing you back onto the road when a driver behind you is not anticipating it, and the cracks that are often in the shoulder beat the tar out of high pressure tires and road bike rims.

Drivers tend to think about other things while driving, and they can get away with that under normal circumstances as their cerebellum can handle those kinds of stay between the lines repetitive driving tasks under normal circumstances without higher brain function being involved at all. People do that a lot on regular routes to and from home, work, etc. Add in the distraction of a phone call, messing with the radio etc, and it gets even worse.

Consequently, drivers tend to not respond to things they see on the shoulder and I suspect the visual angle also leads their cerebellum to assume 'road sign'.

But...put a biker 2'-3' out into the lane and suddenly their higher brain executive functions kick in as they notice the biker.

It ends up being much safer as drivers actual see you.


The reason so many bike riders ignore the rules of the road...Is because the POLICE will NOT enforce the laws!!!!

I take a common sense approach to stop signs. Coming to a full stop is a mixed bag.

The main reason cars are required to stop at stop signs is to given them greater opportunity to look carefully before they cross a street or highway because they have both restricted vision and hearing inside the vehicle.

In contrast, a bike rider has the advantage of having unrestricted visibility as well as hearing to help them detect any cross traffic at a stop sign. How I approach a stop sign will depends on the visibility and also the wind:

- If the intersection allows for unrestricted visibility, I'll slow down to 10 mph or so and proceed through if it's clear.

- If the visibility at the intersection isn't unrestricted I'll slow as much as needed to ensure I can see and hear well enough to ensure the intersection is clear.

If the intersection isn't clear, I'll stop. However, that creates other problems. I don't have a couple hundred horse power and even taking into account my much lighter weight than a car, my power to weight ratios and acceleration from a full stop isn't great. That increases the time needed to cross a road, which makes crossing more difficult and more risky in some circumstances.

This is also time when I'll plant myself right out in the middle of the lane. If I do not, sure as God made little green apples, some jerk will come up to the stop line, block my view to the left and in effect take my break in the traffic, or worse, he'll make an unsignaled turn to the right and cut into me. My only impact with a car (pickup) has been in this situation.

You are correct that police officers (around here at least) do not enforce a full stop on a bicycle, but they are looking for careful behavior when crossing a road and just blowing through with no regard for traffic will result in a citation.

The variations in state laws regarding cyclists are pretty maddening. In some states, they appear to have the same ludicrous untouchability as pedestrians. Mmm'kay, the laws of physics will fix that nonsense for you every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Here in NV, cyclists are definitely not treated as pedestrians, and many who have moved to Las Vegas have been cited shortly after having been bounced off their bike by a car or truck. Some whining on the local news follows, and those of us who know the rules laugh at them.

Their favorite thing is not dismounting while using a crosswalk. The law is there to stop a person on a bike appearing at full tilt in the crosswalk giving the car/truck/bus driver no chance to miss them and applying the aforementioned laws of physics. The law is for THEIR protection, but it is seen by many cyclists as an imposition. Better to be imposed on than to be dead, I say.

You are correct. In some states it is illegal for a bicyclist to ride on the side walk and they must ride in the road. When I was stationed in Arlington, that, along with clueless, aggressive drivers and poor sight lines around most intersections was enough to put me off biking almost completely.

Things like having to dismount and walk across a cross walk is another reason why biking on a side walk doesn't really work. Try that with pedal clips some time.
 
I have had a pack of a dozen bikers in front of me riding 4 abreast of course ,which is illegal for M/C bikers to do, then without any hand signals they take a left turn at the intersection. Not one of them looked back at me to see if I was possibly going to pass them prior to them making the turn.
Sorry but just because you are riding on a country road doesn't mean you should ride without any caution. When I rode M/C I rode like the cage drivers couldn't see me. Twice I had a car come into my lane and if I wasn't aware of the car and didn't have a place to get away I could have been killed. Yeah bikers have a right to be on the road and they have just as much right to be killed for riding stupid.

So next time, if ever, I make a rolling stop at a stop sign and get busted for it I should just tell the LEO I had full visibility so I was not breaking any law. Now that there is typical bicyclist thinking that the law doesn't apply to them. Oh poor biker has to stop and put his foot down. Yeah let a M/C biker try using that excuse. But officer there wasn't anything coming and I didn't want to come to a complete stop because then I would have to put my one foot down and pull in the clutch handle.

May you all ride safely on your rides and make it back home alive. That's better than making a point and not making it home alive.
 
I had to delete what I really think. I'll leave it there.
 
We all have opinions on what is right and lots of examples of what others do wrong. Bottom line is that if someone screws up on a bike they will most likely only damage themselves, if you screw up in a motor vehicle there is significant potential for damage to those around you. That is why a licenses is required to operate motor vehicles and none required for human powered vehicles. I remember reading somewhere that walking and cycling are considered basic human rights, operating a motor vehicle is a privilege.

The reason you see dumb stuff on bikes is because a lot of people on bikes don't know how to ride or have been taught wrong, no training required. Back a number of years ago a joke was going around that in short was "the easiest way to get rid of someone was to give them a high dollar road bike, stupid takes care of the rest"

Did I mention on my ride this afternoon I watched a thunderstorm move in, a bald eagle land on a tree, and threw the remains of a broken beer bottle back out into the road that was in my segregated bike lane. If your wondering my tires cost me $80 and up and I usually only get 2 to 3000 miles out of one. I will share the road but I will not share my lane.
 
and threw the remains of a broken beer bottle back out into the road that was in my segregated bike lane. If your wondering my tires cost me $80 and up and I usually only get 2 to 3000 miles out of one. I will share the road but I will not share my lane.
Strangest thing about this post is you seem proud of yourself...
 
Over 4 months of weekends walking down about 10 miles of bike lane with a scraper, broom and leaf blower to clear the debris. YES I AM.
 
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