Why the .44 special?

[American1776]

I like big bore handguns. I've owned .44 mag, .454 casull, and .41 mag.

I'm tempted by the new Ruger GP100 .44 spl. Then I look at the sort of ballistic potential I can get from this 5 shot wheelgun. Top loads from the boutique ammo companies give a 255 gr. bullet @950 from the 3 inch tube. Most all the other loads are in the 180-200 grain range, with sub 1000 f/s velocities.

Why have five shots of .44 spl, when you can have a .45 auto that is lighter, holds more rounds, and has very similar ballistics in hot 45 acp loads?

I like revolvers. But the main benefit I see to them is their magnum-like capabilities that you cannot get with 9mm or .45 auto. With a 44 spl, you loose that advantage, and are stuck with the capacity deficit.

Any thoughts?

 

[Laketime]

Because it gets the job done with low recoil,noise ,and muzzle flash.For some reason this fine old man stopper seems to be overlooked by today's shooters when opting for a revolver for EDC.

 

[arjay]

The 45acp,45 colt and 44 special are so similar in recoil and real world results that it really boils down to the type of gun you prefer and just how tight you want the groups to be.
My totally unscientific conclusion is the 44 is the easiest to get great accuracy from followed closely by the 45 acp

 

[American1776]

arjay: Yes, I've had the same experience as yours.

While I love revolvers, the reason I'm willing to accept the capacity handicap is the power factor of magnum cartridges. But If a .44 spl. is basically a 45 auto, I cannot find a practical reason to prefer the 5 shot .44 over an 8 shot .45 in a lighter and flatter platform.

 

[Arik]

Because it gets the job done with low recoil,noise ,and muzzle flash.For some reason this fine old man stopper seems to be overlooked by today's shooters when opting for a revolver for EDC.

Because most people are looking for something small and light and easy to carry. Most people seem to like pocket carry and the 44spl doesn't lend itself to pocket carry. Not to mention the price of practice ammo

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[cadmike]

Out of a revolver, both 45 acp and 44 spl are great cartridges. Can't go wrong either way.

 

[Old Arkansawyer]

I carry a Smith 44sp with a 4 inch barrel, round butt. Shoots 240gr Hornady JHP. Maybe I do not practice enough, but, I only shoot about 50 rounds/month, not cost prohibitive. There is not much difference in a 3 or 4 inch barrel when it comes to concealed carry. I am also looking at the Ruger GP100 44sp although I don't care for the sights.

 

[StakeOut]

Accuracy is probably due more to the individual revolver and the load used than to the caliber used.

MY 4" 25-5,5" 625-2,6.5" Pre 25 and 4" 21-4 are all very accurate but needed to be tested to find the best loads for them.

Hope to find a nice 696 no dash soon I can trade for.

 

[murphydog]

You may be looking at the question a little too objectively?

You acknowledge that for whatever the intended purpose, both the .44 Special and the .45 ACP will do the job. So why choose the revolver? Some people just like them and feel good about carrying/shooting one, without concerns about its effectiveness.

I have an old (insert name of famous sports car maker), but a current new sedan will go faster, corner as well, stop as hard, get better mileage and carries five people. Still won't trade for one.

 

[Topsarge]

For me it's a revolver thing more than anything. I have 3 .45 acps. Two 1911s and a striker fired. I also have a .45 S&W model 25 in .45 Colt. But I love the .44 sp. revolver. They are very accurate and along with the .44 magnum, the .44 is very versatile. A very good all around revolver. I like the accuracy of the .44 special the most. There is no reason why you can't own a .44 and a .45acp. Just do what I do and carry whichever one you feel like it at the time.

 

[rct269]

That's the problem with old sports cars----the new non-sports cars are better----------but.

Maybe the real problem is with the folks who like old sports cars------we just don't know any better.

Same goes for old, obsolete guns----and old, obsolete cartridges------like .44 Specials. I have five of those----and none of what everybody tells me I should have.

Ralph Tremaine

 

[THE PILGRIM]

I have several 44 Specials.
And I'm jealous of you guys who have the vintage sports cars!

 

[StakeOut]

Ah,where's my 1967 Vett 427,1969 911 Targa and 1972 280SL now?

 

[gwpercle]

It's the package it can be put in. The power it delivers with the modest recoil. Not much in America is walking away from a 255 grain bullet at 950 fps placed in the boiler room. It can get get the job done without a bunch of hooting and hollering .
Those afflicted with Magunitis will never understand.
Gary

My daily driver is a 1968 Chevelle, I bought it in 1978 , been driving it ever since and haven't found a good reason to stop.

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

The .44 spl........if you have to ask.....Just leave it to us that love it..........

 

[senecaap]

I agree with most everything said. One thing I will concede is the GP100 is a little to big for what it is. Carry an N frame and get the full 6. If you want to shave weight, go find one of the Lew Horton 3" models, they are a great carrying .44. Or get the Charter Arms that weighs less than the Ruger.

 

[old tanker]

Because .44 American gets all fuzzy from pocket lint?

 

[Laketime]

Because most people are looking for something small and light and easy to carry. Most people seem to like pocket carry and the 44spl doesn't lend itself to pocket carry. Not to mention the price of practice ammo

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And there lies another difference between my age bracket and today's younger shooter.We preferred to carry our defensive weapon in a good quality holster made from cow hide, and worn on a good sturdy leather belt.A set up like this would allow for easy carry for a Charter Arms,Taurus,or Rossi .44 spl snub nose.

 

[Arik]

And there lies another difference between my age bracket and today's younger shooter.We preferred to carry our defensive weapon in a good quality holster made from cow hide, and worn on a good sturdy leather belt.A set up like this would allow for easy carry for a Charter Arms,Taurus,or Rossi .44 spl snub nose.

Actually I find that mostly​older guys prefer pocket carry. No one I know my age or younger carries like that and it seems that many people here pocket carry.

I have no preference on holster as long as they work well and hold up. Cow hide, horse hide, alligator skin, kydex, kydex/leather combo.

Still for me it would come down to cost of ammo. I don't reload and have no desire to. I shoot often and buy by the case.

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[Wise_A]

Those "top-end" .45 loads, in a 1911-pattern pistol, will be quite punishing to shoot, for the cartridge.

In an N-framed Smith and Wesson, at least, they'll be downright mild.

The truth of the matter is that there isn't really much of a point to a magnum big-bore for two-legged self-defense. Nobody argues as to the effectiveness of 10mm in that role, right? Well, Federal's Hydra-Shok 10mm loading delivers a 180-grain JHP at 1030 fps--a paltry 185 PF. Now, I hate using PF for defensive ammo--and hate Hydra-Shok even more--but it is what it is. More powerful loadings will deliver upwards of 200-206 PF.

Meanwhile, Underwood's 200-grain Gold Dot load in .44 Spl delivers 1100 fps--220 PF. Buffalo Bore's 180-grain JHP, to compare bullets of the same weight, delivers 1150 fps (207 PF).

Is the .44 Spl better than the 10? No, they're both competent and powerful defensive cartridges. The point is that the Spl is more than adequate. If anything, it's hampered by the need to go to a boutique ammo provider, as there hasn't been a lot of load development spent on it by larger manufacturers of defensive ammo.

Is it better than a .45 ACP +P? Well, it depends on how you look at it. But the correct answer is: It doesn't matter. Small differences in ballistics and terminal performance are insignificant in the real world, where you're not shooting over a chrono at a cube of gel.

Shoot what you like, shoot what you're best at.

 

[lebomm]

I think that some of the factors that influence us Special lovers are the historical angle of the great guns that chambered it, its eminent reloadability, the fact that everybody and his brother has a .44 Mag, and the just plain, naked cool factor.

Larry

 

[Thomasino]

I love shooting revolvers, they're so simple and I don't have to chase my brass all over the place. Their Nostalgia factor and appearance are very appealing to me. A 44 special is definitely a force to be reckoned with because of the loading options you have with that particular round. Not all handguns a person buys are used for self-defense or concealed carry, they are often bought for pure enjoyment of shooting.
Here is a list of my revolvers:
*Ruger LCR 38+P (main carry)
*Ruger Birdshead 45LC
*Ruger Bisley 45LC
*S&W 686 357 Mag
*S&W 629 44Mag
Only the LCR is available for me to carry the others are just for enjoyment. As far as a 44 special is concerned, my 44 Magnum doubles as a 44 special as that is 90% of the rounds that will be going through it. I don't own any 44 special brass just Magnum brass and load them up to Special velocities. This allows me to have just one set of shells and to take care of. As far as a 44 special for self defense for home it would make a great home self defense gun because of the large lead it can push out.

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[Laketime]

Actually I find that mostly​older guys prefer pocket carry. No one I know my age or younger carries like that and it seems that many people here pocket carry.

I have no preference on holster as long as they work well and hold up. Cow hide, horse hide, alligator skin, kydex, kydex/leather combo.

Still for me it would come down to cost of ammo. I don't reload and have no desire to. I shoot often and buy by the case.

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Well when you where still in grade school,myself and the older generation of shooters all preferred carrying as described.Which is why I opened my post with " what differs from my generation with the current one ".Personally I keep too much other essential items in my pockets to try and stuff a defensive gun in there as well. You should give the .44 spl a try someday,ammo can be found for the same price as .45 acp. And I know that you can handle wearing one of those snubs on your side.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

I have a couple of .44 Special revolvers (S&W 1950 Target, Colt Single Action Army). Also have some .44 Magnum revolvers (M-29, M-629). Barrel lengths range from 3" to 6.5".

I shoot .44 Specials in all of them. Usually handloads with cast 240 SWC at 800-900 FPS. Mild to moderate recoil, depending on which revolver I am using, with plenty of power to get just about any job done that I need to get done.

Also enjoy the .44-40 in both revolver and rifle. Great old cartridges that have never been totally displaced by anything else.

 

[gwpercle]

I agree with most everything said. One thing I will concede is the GP100 is a little to big for what it is. Carry an N frame and get the full 6. If you want to shave weight, go find one of the Lew Horton 3" models, they are a great carrying .44. Or get the Charter Arms that weighs less than the Ruger.

If Taurus were smart they would bring back their 445 snub nose revolvers , just a little beefier than a S&W J frame but a 5 shot 44 special snub nose . My daughter got the 44 special , I opted for the 45 acp version 455, I was set up to reload for 45 acp. S&W didn't make a big bore pocket revolver at the time. The Taurus is small enough for pocket , IWB and in a belt holster you don't even know it's there.
Both have 2 inch barrels, her's is the ultra light model, mine is not but has a cool ported barrel.
If S&W would make one I would be on it like a duck on a June bug !

 

[steelslaver]

I used to carry a Carter Arms Bulldog, I now carry a 396 with a snub barrel and Titanium cylinder, loaded with 200gr gold dots. Thing is so light you forget its there. I carry a revolver because I shoot revolvers a lot. Running a revolver is habit. If I ever need a gun to save my buns, I don't want to have to thing much about it, but concentrate on what is happening. I can shoot my 1911 Commander, but flipping the safety and the grip are not nearly ingrained as a life time of revolvers. Grab it, point it, work the trigger, recoil twist it up and it my hand brings it back down, Its what I am used too. Reload isn't a button, its a thumb piece, finger trough frame, roll up barrel, eject down, roll on finger, grip cylinder and load close. Habit . 44 specials will get the job done, this one is very light. If I don't fix it in 5 rounds my odds where really, really bad to start with. I am liking my new short barreled 325 though and its got 6. Either one is lighter than a 1911.

 

[6GUNSONLY]

If I were looking for a .44 Special to cc, it would not be the gp-100. Maybe a 696, or a 3" 24-3 or 624. I have handled the Ruger and don't care for it, especially the silly unfluted cylinder which is just dead weight not to mention ugly, IMO. I have 3 .44 specials, but don't usually carry them except when hunting.

 

[992B]

While the auto guys are fumbling with safeties, making sure the magazine is fully inserted and/or clearing a dud round or a stovepipe, us revolver guys just pull the trigger again and bring up a fresh round. My 44 special carry loads are at least 45acp speed with a 250 grain semi wadcutter. Accuracy of a quality 44 special revolver is far superior to a 45acp semi auto in the average joe's hands. Try it, you'll like it!!! Gary

 

[JohnSW]

Any thoughts?

Stainless steel revolvers are pretty.

 

[sigp220.45]

I have this .44 Special. It makes no sense. I like it.



I have this Beretta .32 which really makes no sense, because you can get the same size gun as a .380 that holds one more round. Hell, even the .380 doesn't make much sense, because there are plenty of 9mms and .45s that are the same size. But I like it.



I often carry this 100 year old Colt .32 Pocket Hammerless, which definitely makes no sense. I really really like it.



I also carry this old Colt Detective Special, which many would say is sensible, but I load it with these old 200 grain factory loads, which no one thinks is sensible. Yep, I like 'em.



OK, even I can't make a case for this one. But, well you know...........



I could go on and on, but I guess my basic point is that some people are Deadly Serious Guncarriers, and I am not. I used to be - I spent 33 years arresting people. But now I carry because I want to, and that means I carry what I want.

I don't care about getting the most number of foot pounds of energy per ounce of gun weight. I'm not worried about having dozens of rounds available. I never carry a reload.

I may be the only one, but I suspect there may be others who carry what they like (including .44 Specials) because they like it, and would fare just fine in a shoot-em-up.