Wilson Combat 1911s

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Does anyone own one of these high end pistols? I have always wondered what could make a 1911 worth North of $3,500? I have a Springer 1911 Mil Spec I paid $600 for 2 years ago and I love it. SO I have always scoffed at the price tag on these high end hand fitted models. BUT.. my LGS was broken into a few weeks ago. They smashed one of his cases with a brick and several guns fell on all of his Wilson Combats leaving varying scratch marks on the slides/frames. Some not very noticeable. Others a little more. He got an insurance adjustment and he is selling 2 of them at $1800 OTD. They were priced at $3455 cash price. +3% Credit card. One is all black and the other has a SS slide. My obvious question is are these really worth the $?
At 1/2 price I am tempted. Their function has not been altered in anyway. Opinions on Wilson's in general and on this offer?
 
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It is all about detail and function. I've recently bought a Dan Wesson, which is not in the same league, but in that 1400-1800 price range.

The DW is a dramatic step up from my standard 1911's.

Given that they are a bit of safe queen candidates, as I'm not interested in getting something like that seized by the police, I wouldn't be carrying it.

I suspect that if I had seen it at that price, you would not have had the opportunity to ask ;)
 
Id be tempted at that price too,if I had the money.And,how much would Wilson charge to refinish a slide if the marks bugged you?
 
Price in machined or milled and hand fitted vs MIM. Now, MIM doesn't mean bad and some companies do it better than others. My SA TRP is top notch but many parts are still MIM, despite perfect function, there are "inferior" parts. Inferior will depend on how much you shoot.
 
I'm very happy with the affordable 1911a1 USGI clones. The SA USGI MIL-SPEC and AO US ARMY clones are awesome. I just picked up a colt 80 series government 5" in nickel for $900. I replaced the one I traded in.
The colt, SA have forged frames and slides. My AO has a investment cast 4140 steel frame. We hammered 600rds threw the AO with no stoppages.
My next 1911a1 will be stainless.

My $300 used norinco 1911a1 project pistol came out awesome. I fitted a surplus new USGI barrel, a IAI nm barrel bushing. Using wolf ball ammo she shoots clusters and cloverleafs at 25yards no matter who shoots it. It's constant even with new shooters. I don't have $400 in the gun.
 
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My Norinco Custom

I'm very happy with the affordable 1911a1 USGI clones. The SA USGI MIL-SPEC and AO US ARMY clones are awesome. I just picked up a colt 80 series government 5" in nickel for $900. I replaced the one I traded in.
The colt, SA have forged frames and slides. My AO has a investment cast 4140 steel frame. We hammered 600rds threw the AO with no stoppages.
My next 1911a1 will be stainless.

My $300 used norinco 1911a1 project pistol came out awesome. I fitted a surplus new USGI barrel, a IAI nm barrel bushing. Using wolf ball ammo she shoots clusters and cloverleafs at 25yards no matter who shoots it. It's constant even with new shooters. I don't have $400 in the gun.

Ditto! I am into my custom Norinco for $500. A good friend fitted it with a new surplus USGI barrel, brown internals, dehorned some of the sharp edges, and gave it a new parkerized finish. I was tempted to go more modern, but ultimately chose to keep it old school. Love its simple elegance and reliability. I much rather pack this chunk of old Chinese railroad track than any of the current mass produced, MIM-laden, 1911s. FWIW, I have 1911s along the entire 1911 continuum, e.g., RIA, SA, DW, EB, and feel $ for $ my Norinco is a great value and gives me the intangible "pride of ownership."

To the OP's question, and as I've stated in other threads, I feel the point of diminishing return is with Dan Wesson in the $1200 - $1500 range, but if owning a $3K +/- makes you feel warm and fuzzy and you can afford it, then go for it. I happily carry all my 1911s.
 

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PM me the name of your LGS -- I will buy both Wilsons sight unseen.

High end 1911s aren't for everyone. Past a certain price point, improvements become incrementally smaller for increasingly greater cost. That defies some people's means, and others' sense of value; sometimes both.

Too, perfectly satisfactorily functioning 1911s can be had for much less, right down to $400.

But if you appreciate the pinnacle of CNC machining mated to old-world hand fitting and custom attention in a firearm, attending to small details that add up to meaning improvements in the user experience, both shooting and simply appreciating, the high end 1911s are pleasures.
 
Ditto! I am into my custom Norinco for $500. A good friend fitted it with a new surplus USGI barrel, brown internals, dehorned some of the sharp edges, and gave it a new parkerized finish. I was tempted to go more modern, but ultimately chose to keep it old school. Love its simple elegance and reliability. I much rather pack this chunk of old Chinese railroad track than any of the current mass produced, MIM-laden, 1911s.

I kick myself regularly for not scraping up the money to buy a Norinco M1A1 model I found in a pawn shop fifteen years ago. Had a good deal of finish wear, but seemed fine mechanically.

I've heard a number of people praise the reliability of those pistols.
 
The fit, finish and in some cases, features of the high-end 1911s are worth paying for in my opinion. I don't have $3,500 to spend on one, but if I could get one for $1,800 I'd make it happen. If that's not what you were thinking when you held it, maybe it's not your cup of tea.
 
I am always a buyer of lightly used Wilsons. If you can get a new one with minor cosmetic damage for $1800 buy it.

Stick it in your holster and do your best to wear it out.
 
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High end 1911s aren't for everyone. Past a certain price point, improvements become incrementally smaller for increasingly greater cost..........

But if you appreciate the pinnacle of CNC machining mated to old-world hand fitting and custom attention in a firearm, attending to small details that add up to meaning improvements in the user experience, both shooting and simply appreciating, the high end 1911s are pleasures.

^^^^ This.
It's like commuting in a Toyota Corolla or a Mercedes S-class. Both are metal boxes with 4 wheels that will get you to work pretty reliably. Whether you're willing to pay for the differences is a matter of personal preference; it's beyond just practical usefulness.
 
Wilson combat 1911s

I have 3 and you can't beat the triggers on them.I bought mine 2000-2005 all under 2k at that time.For that money and current used ones north of 2k you need to do it.
 
I see this kind of thread on gun forums all the time:

"I have a $200.00 Taurus that's great, why do I need a Smith & Wesson."

"My Chinese pump shotgun does everything I need, why should I buy a Remington."

And so on, ad nauseum.

If we can only have guns we need, I need to get rid of a bunch of mine; why do I need 7 (at least :)) revolvers that fire .38 Special? I don't. But I want to, and can.

I just fired my new Wilson yesterday, it's wonderful. Is it $2000.00 more wonderful than my two Colt 1911's? I wouldn't even know how to quantify that, it's just worth it to me.

I'd love to have a Purdey side x side, but I'd have to rob my retirement savings to have one, and that's not going to happen. I'm glad they're made though, and I'm happy some people can afford them so I can see them.
 
I've tried Kimber, Springfield, Colt; different models of each and then I handled and shot a Wilson Combat. I can see and feel a difference, many others can't. My Wilsons are accurate and reliable. I carry a Wilson Combat LW Professional with bobtail everyday. The idea of using the pistol for defense and having to turn it over to the police is a non-issue for me - what is my life worth or a loved ones. Also, by carrying an expensive handgun, I am less likely to enter into an altercation that might end with me using the pistol.
 
Well like a new car........ the first scratch is behind you........so it will be easier to park it at the mall..................or carry it into the wilds.......

Without pictures...... it's hard to give you the perfect answer...... but at 1/2 price it's a great opportunity to answer your own question.........about high end 1911s

if you don't like it ....... how much of a hit would you take on a resale..... $300-400 bucks.......... maybe........at most......
 
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Following up (now that it's not so late)...

Putting aside the nuances of the reasonable debate over whether what you get from a custom 1911 versus top-end production (versus mid-grade production, versus...etc.) justifies the expenditure, this is why I prefer Wilson when there are so many excellent makers operating on the same level of craftsmanship.

(Brief aside to address the oft-repeated nomenclature squabble over whether Wilson and competitors constitute custom versus semi-custom builders; they are semi-custom inasmuch as you can't spec a 1911 purely to your exact preferences, choose from your favorite parts and makers, ship it all to them and expect they'll massage it into a masterpiece. Most of the top, larger scale 1911 shops make many -- some near to all -- parts in-house, or have preferred and trusted vendors they'll use to build what you're asking for rather than work with what you give them. Generally, there are somewhat more limited parameters in which they'll work for a build, too, opting instead to offer their own packages with some room for personal requests. This is all that constitutes the difference between a "semi-custom" and "custom" shop; the build-quality is equally superb.)

Now, at the semi-custom level, the most recognized names are Wilson, Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Les Baer and Guncrafter Industries. You cannot go wrong with any of these builders; spin a wheel, throw a dart, wherever you land you can expect a top-shelf 1911 that is the equal of the others. There are variations in approaches from each house, subtleties and touches making each distinct, but at the end of the day, each shoots on even terms against the other.

(Yes, of course, there are variations from gun to gun, and certainly even the best builders -- like any -- can produce a subpar example sometimes; that's a different, specific discussion rather than the broader one we're having here.)

So, you can't really go wrong with whomever you choose, and decisions come down largely to which builder is outfitting their 1911s most to your liking.

I prefer Wilson for a few reasons, but the primary one is the control they have over their own product. The 1911 design is open to manufacturers the world over, builders of varying capability, attention to detail and purity of intention in producing their version. Yes, the original blueprints are there for all and should be easy to replicate. Real world experience says otherwise.

Different shops using different vendors for various parts going into the same gun, with some changes made here and there to the original design over the decades to accommodate everything from changing aesthetics to individual performance needs and expectations has resulted in a diminishment of uniformity in the 1911. This has allowed for advances, but also introduced a diminishment in the modular-type parts interchangeability the 1911 enjoyed during its first several decades as a combat sidearm.

Better sights; beavertail grip safeties, improved ejection ports and extended ejectors; modified ignition components to increase safety or specialize trigger feel; dimensional changes to improve reliability in feeding modern ammunition; on and on it goes.

The march of progress means the 1911 today isn't quite what John Moses Browning put to blueprint over a century ago. Vendor A's parts will be very much like though not identical to vendor B's. Ditto manufacturer A versus B, and so on.

Can an excellent shop overcome this with top-tier gunsmiths who know the 1911 inside and out, what works and what doesn't, take some parts they make in their shop, combine them with other makers' components they've gravitated to through trial and error and build an excellent machine?

You bet.

Wilson has gone a different route, and decided on the subtle changes in geometry and build they've come to believe is best in producing a top-tier 1911, and build virtually all parts in-house to their specs using the best machines, hands and material. I prefer the uniformity of vision and execution this affords, and the hard use accuracy, reliability and longevity it demonstrably results in.

There are other ways of doing it that work just as well, but I happen to prefer the singularity, of-a-pieceness that a Wilson Combat 1911 is.

That they'll pretty much build it however I ask them to with their parts only adds to my preference. That they are well-known industry wide for excellent customer service, standing by their products and making right anything that isn't also adds to my preference. Not all the best shops are known for this level of practice.

Finally, I'll quote a gentleman whose handle was Army Chief; some of you might've known him through other forums on which he moderated and participated. He was deeply knowledgeable of firearms in general and a champion of, among other things, the 1911. I think he summed up the Wilson value well:

Army Chief said:
Hyperbole and hype aside, the whole point of Wilson Combat's approach to 1911 building is to achieve hard-use reliability in a gun that is still accurate and well-appointed. Wilsons are not Bullseye/IPSC/fancypants guns -- they are service guns built to a very high standard. In harm's way and/or adverse environments, I would prefer to the CQB to any of the models you referenced by a very wide margin. The fact that Bill Wilson chose to feature the word "combat" so prominently in his branding ought to provide some insight into his build philosophy, and although we often seem to go off on tangents about upgrades, options and appearances, the bones of every Wilson 1911 are rock solid, and they are built to perform.

No excuses. No BS. No question.

AC

I'd been meaning to collect some of these thoughts for a while; thanks for reading. ;)
 
Ditto! I am into my custom Norinco for $500. A good friend fitted it with a new surplus USGI barrel, brown internals, dehorned some of the sharp edges, and gave it a new parkerized finish. I was tempted to go more modern, but ultimately chose to keep it old school. Love its simple elegance and reliability. I much rather pack this chunk of old Chinese railroad track than any of the current mass produced, MIM-laden, 1911s. FWIW, I have 1911s along the entire 1911 continuum, e.g., RIA, SA, DW, EB, and feel $ for $ my Norinco is a great value and gives me the intangible "pride of ownership."

To the OP's question, and as I've stated in other threads, I feel the point of diminishing return is with Dan Wesson in the $1200 - $1500 range, but if owning a $3K +/- makes you feel warm and fuzzy and you can afford it, then go for it. I happily carry all my 1911s.

The best thing about my norinco project 1911 is I built it. It has 100% lockup. With no barrel spring in either direction. The lugs in full battery are engaged within spec.

Being a class A machine builder and a lead engineering tech I can build just about anything on the planet. I even got to have fun working on the Disney tower of terror ride I spec's out some of it.

I purchased every DVD and vhs video about the 1911, from Jerry K, Wilson Combat, AGI. Plus Jerry K book.

I have been eyeing a Noonan 1911 in 357mag. $1,400
 
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No. You should not buy either of them!
But you should PM me the name of the LGS....and do so right away! :o
 
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