With all of the talk of self defense,

Off Duty at a Jersey Mike's Sub Shop. It was about 9pm and kept a LCP in the pocket. As I'm walking to the truck with my order, homeless dude threatens me with a knife for my wallet. I draw the LCP. He skedaddles. Gave the local uniforms a bolo of the suspect. He was found later on plastered off heroin. They guess he mugged someone else for his fix.

Impossible! All the self-proclaimed internet experts assert that all drug addicts are killing machines who can't be bargained with, can't be reasoned with. Don't feel pity, or remorse or fear, and absolutely will not stop...ever...until you are dead!

Your testimony makes drug addicts out to be just desperate human beings who still possess self-preservation instincts and obviously understand basic concepts like that they can't get their fix if they're dead.

But seriously, sorry, I've just had my fill of nonsense lately and now I can't help but poke fun at all the folks online who go around making absurd statements all day like it's their job or something.

In my experience, if anything, drug addicts are paranoid, extremely fearful, and twice as likely to bug out when faced with danger than the average person. Unfortunately, I've had the misfortune of being acquainted with folks experimenting with all sorts of drugs/narcotics, sometimes combinations, so I have first hand experience with them. They tend to be quick to threaten violence, but even the slightest hint of physical resistance like raising your fists or kracking your knuckles often results in them frantically pleading for forgiveness or fleeing with hysterics, seeming under the impression that you intend to inflict mortal harm upon them.

Yeah, I know that there are drugs like Flakka that make folks go absolutely berserk or otherwise individuals who simply react that way while under the influence of drugs or withdrawal, but they're the exception, not the rule. Most folks who do drugs do so as a means of escape, abusing drugs for their temporarily pleasurable effects, ergo they tend to shy away from drugs which are known to be strictly unpleasant for the person who takes them, hence why Flakka never really took off, and why bath salts haven't been made a behind-the-counter product.
 
Throughout the 1970s I was a newspaper reporter assigned to the police beat so was present on many occasions when officers drew their weapons, as well as on 11 occasions where they fired, in two cases killing suspects. So I was and remain pretty comfortable with the rules governing self defense.


My sole civilian situation was a few years ago while visiting my local branch bank. While in line I noted a fairly seedy looking character loitering beside the drive-up ATM. I called the branch manager over and pointed this out and she gasped "Oh my God he's getting ready to rob someone!" I said that sounded like a fairly accurate prediction so I walked over to the window, rapped on the glass and pulled my coat back, showing my Ruger LCR .357 in a belt holster. Mr. Loiterer immediately beat feet.
As several over noted, simply showing or announcing that one is armed is usually all one needs to do to short circuit a situation.
 
Back in....1994 or so, I was a fair bit dumber than I am now. Fresh outta High School, working odd jobs. I was broke as could be really, but $50 was an easy week of entertainment, Fuel was under $2 a gallon, I had a beautiful girlfriend, and it was a gorgeous Alaskan Summer.

One day, she and I had driven out into the middle of nowhere for some informal plinking and redneck sporting clays. Redneck sporting clays was basically loading up all eight rounds of my short barrel 870 shotgun, and blasting at hand thrown clays, cans,old records, truck mirrors, or anything else that could be tossed or looked cool to destroy. (please, don't make me re-emphasize the "dumb" part of the above paragraph)

We had a pretty good time, between shooting random stuff, and watching the whales out in the inlet, but...the evening was still young, so we decided to drive into Anchorage to see her sister.

Her Sister and her family seemed a decent sort. They were poor as church mice, and consequently lived in the crappiest part of Anchorage at the time. They were actually pretty clean living folks, just...struggling like alot of us go through.

So, we pulled up into that neighborhood which was a part of Alaska I didn't know existed. I was a pretty tough kid. Bench pressed double my body weight, ran several miles a day, wrestled, and had been in my fair share of scraps, But I got nervous real darn quick there.

As we got outta the car, there were several young black men across the street with a boom box, which wasn't entirely out of style yet up here, and they were blasting some kinda music. I had a tough time understanding the lyrics as we were walking to shelter and they were glaring at us, but it was clear their preferred musician had a real problem with someone bearing the initials of "YT".

We walked up into the apartment, and noted a few random bullet holes in the walls, from various drive bys throughout the years. They graciously offered us some instant apple cider, which was about the only thing I saw in that cabinet. But...when I saw those bullet holes in the walls, it got me off the fence on whether I should leave my unsecured valuables (including my guns) in the car, and decided to turn around and bring them in. Or maybe drive outta that area as fast as I could, but...again, I had a good lookin' girlfriend, and them are rare for fellas like me.

I grabbed the keys, and told them I'd be right back. As soon as I turned the corner from the building that same six or eight black dudes across the street started to mean muggin' me again, except even harder. Then...they started singin' me their neighborhood welcoming song. The lyrics went like this: "Hey white boah! whatchu doin' heah?! *STOMP* "Hey white boah, whatchu doin' heah?!" The lyrics weren't very creative, but the meaningfulness of those heartfelt words were not lost on me as my sphincter tightened up two clicks and I started fast walking to that little Ford Escort with the guns inside of it.

As I'm speed walking to my little buggy a couple of the biggest, most formidable guys peel out from the crowd. One has a steel pipe, the other one a claw hammer. They're both walking over to greet me at the vehicle. I walk still faster, but figgerin' that as with most predatory types, if I broke into a run, so would they. My only advantage was that they felt pretty confident about beating me into a pulp, so they were slow walking and pretty much savoring my fear, which was likely pretty palpable.

I popped the trunk of the car at the exact same time hammer and pipe boys, and all their trailing friends were hitting the center line of the street I was parallel parked on. I would love to say I said some cool darn 1980's action movie statement, like Rambo or the Terminator would have done, but...I was barely keeping from soiling my Fruit of the Looms at this point. So, I grabbed my completely empty 870 shotgun from the trunk, turned, smiled broadly and said in my fresh from Georgia country bumpkin drawl "Howdy y'all!" Yeah, a look of fierce determination and a command presence probably woulda been better suited, but...my message had been well conveyed.
They each stopped, and silently did an about face that would have made any Drill Sergeant proud and went back to where they came from. a bit farther back in the shadows, and minus the boisterous music about killing that "YT" fella. I grabbed the most valuable of valuables and walked back to that apartment in the silence and peace like a harvest moon walk through your favorite section of woods. There was no further incident.

As far as lessons learned, there's a lot of 'em. But the most emphasized to me was the timing. If I'd been a couple seconds later getting to that car, it would have been far worse than a mildly amusing internet tale, it could have easily been an obituary.

Nowadays, of course I don't run into the big city without emptying my rig after a shooting trip. Heck, I try not to go into Anchorage at all. I always have a gun on my person, and if there is one in the car, it's in a locked car safe. Thankfully, I have no friends or loved ones in those crappy parts of town, but if I did...I now have the sense to strongly encourage them to come out for dinner at the Shrek Compound rather than going out that way.
 
Who has been in a real life self defense situation ?

Curious as to how barrel length, sights, caliber, load, holster type and location would have changed the outcome?

Thanks Horseapple

Perhaps this is not what you are after because its not "my" situation. It is a friend's self-defense shooting situation that occurred within the last week. I assisted briefly from a professional standpoint (attorney) but that part is over. Nothing that follows is privileged or confidential but I'll not be too specific. There are lessons in there somewhere.

The story starts a few months ago. Meth head breaks down the door at friend's house. Teenager home alone shoots Meth head with shotgun (birdshot) and sends him packing with minor wounds. Meth head, later identified as Friend's distant family member, is arrested and released on bond.

Fast forward to last week. Friend and teenager leaving house early are confronted by two armed scumbags, hereafter "SB1" and "SB2," who force them inside at gunpoint and demand access to the gun safe. SB1 demands that Friend hand over any concealed weapons. Friend denies carrying at that moment. SB1 does not pat him down. In fact, Friend had a small .22 auto in his pocket but cannot pull it under the circumstances.

Scumbags walk Friend and teenager to a bedroom at gunpoint and force teenager to open the gunsafe. Safe opens. Friend and teenager perceive (likely correct) that scumbags will execute them soon. Friend mimicked chest pain and doubled over as a distraction. SB1 looks away in the confusion and Friend grabs him around the neck from behind with the left arm. Friend concurrently pulls .22 from pocket, sticks it hard into SB1's side and...nothng. IT DOESN'T WORK.

As soon as Friend grabs SB1, teenager grabs shotgun from the now open safe. SB2 is totally confused and grabs the shotgun too. Teenager and SB2 are now fighting over the shotgun.

Back to Friend and SB1...Friend's .22 does not work. SB1's pistol (a .380 semi-auto) works just fine. SB1, holding pistol in his right hand, reaches across body and fires around his left side at Friend, who is still hanging on SB1's neck. The two spin counter-clockwise with SB1 repeatedly firing his pistol until empty. One round rips straight through Friend's left butt cheek but he is unaware. SB1 empties his pistol and the two break apart into separate rooms across the hall. SB1 flees the house but Friend does not know this at the time. Teenager and SB2 are still fighting over the shotgun. Neither new that it was unloaded. All of this is happening fast.

Friend reenters the bedroom, grabs SB2 off of teenager/shotgun and starts punching, struggling with him on the floor, and trying to control his arms. Teenager uses this time to load the shotgun. Once loaded, teenager yells at Friend to roll off SB2 to make room for the shot. Friend disengages the fight with SB2, clears the space, and teenager shoots SB2 in the head (fatally). It was birdshot from a few feet away.

One scumbag dead. The other arrested. This relates to the incident from several months prior. Meth head orchestrated the whole thing. He waited ina car outside. meth head is in custody. He was after the guns. Of course no charges against Friend and teenager. It is a clean self-defense shooting. Terrible situation all around. Second time in a few months that this young man had to shoot home invaders. Friend and teenager both showed remarkable strength and focus. Friend's through and through butt cheek bullet wound is healing. He'll be okay.

EDIT: Just a few days before this incident, Friend and I were discussing steps to get the first shotgun back from police. The shotgun taken from teenager after the non-fatal shooting / home invasion last year. We discussed that they were lucky to have backup guns in the interim. With regard to the second shooting, the police have already returned all of Friend's involved firearms. Maybe lighting strikes a third time. Hope not.
 
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Working on a job in the winter. Large project. In the elevator machinery room they had heat for us to get warm. 3 guys were in there. I went there & as I opened the door I heard a commotion. 2 guys were in a tussle & one of them was my friend who I rode with. Went over to separate them & when I pulled them apart the guy on top of my friend had a knife & was stabbing him & he stabbed me (left shoulder). I got the guy in a full nelson & he couldn't stab me any more. Another worker came in & broke my hold (he didn't know about knife) & perp then stabbed him & headed for the door. I grabbed a 2x4 . He then stabbed yet another guy who was going to come in to get warm. I ran after the stabber & chased him.
Broke the 2x4 when I hit him as I was chasing him. Pursuit went for about 100 yards Guy got tangled up in rebar & fell by a stack of concrete blocks. Hit him in head with a block & he was neutralized with knife in hand. Sirens were in the distance & LEO's & ambulance showed up.
All went to hospital . I drove myself.
Statement's were taken @ hospital from all concerned.
Few days later LEO called me & said I needed to come in & give a statement to DA & he would be there & watch him during questioning & answer accordingly.
Turns out the perp had a history of stabbing's.
Self defense does not always have to be a gun & situational
awareness plays a big part.

BTW Everyone involved was fired. Perp ,victim's & me.
 
Too bad the a** h*** that wrote the policy-made the decision to fire people for defending themselves wasn't alone in the warm room with the perp.

That situation I referred to earlier was on company time and the company has a strict no weapons policy. I'd rather be looking for a job than get assaulted.
 

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