Would like to get some photo advice please...

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Guys,

I know we have some topics like that, but I really would appreciate some specific advise from our photographers here...

I was playing around and tried different stuff, like light, flash, angles, etc.

Here are 3 shots from the same angle:

W/O Flash
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With Flash
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B/W
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I don't want to become world best picture taker, but I'm really not that satisfied with the results...

My camera is a Fuji FinePix S2500HD and put it on automatic mode...

I appreciate any thoughts, ideas, critics,... imprecations :D
 
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  1. Set up next to a window that will give you bright indirect natural lighting and see how it comes out.
  2. Hook up a white sheet on a U shaped frame and set up in the center of it - hook up two white light floods behind the sheet and see how you like that one.
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If you are going to stay with "auto" (I do as I am lazy:D) as the other stated, natural daylight is best. early morning or late afternoon.

I is way to bright here most of the time so I use 3 or 4 natural day light CF bulbs(6500 K) in those silver reflector things (Lowes or Depot)

Hope you don't mind I "stole" (I will delete it) your pic and just used auto adjust to brighten it and cropped it a little. Without the whole big file it is hard to manipulate (set your camera to the highest pixel setting. It will make a big file but more detail and you can always make it smaller for posting.

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Alright, I put the whole thing closer to a window.

Both pictures are w/o flash, but more natural light...

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Still not satisfied. Guess I have to do alot of practicing...
 
Rule3, that's what I do. Big pixel on the camera and then Microsoft Office 2010 to resize it. I tried playing with the colors and brightness... but I'm too stupid for that... it's just getting worse...
 
Try a background with more contrast. The grays blend in to much with the gun.

Thanks, I will. Gotta get some new batteries tomorrow and take some new pictures. Cannot find the charger, don't know where it is... :confused:
 
Hi,

Congratulations on your quest to take better images, vs. just getting "snap shots." Geez, I hate the term "snap shot" as much as I hated the way our late hunting club president used to shoot at any deer that he'd catch a glimpse of. He'd just yank up the rifle, see a cross hair on deer hide, and "snap" off a shot. I tracked a lot of deer for that guy.

No, shooting images correctly is not the same as a quick snap shot, but understanding what to do, and setting up your shot intellegently will let you truly "bag" a "trophy" of an image.

1. First . . . SHOOT FROM A "REST." Just like with accurate target shooting we must eliminate the shooter's shake from the equation! In other words, "bench rest" your camera on a shooting bag or table.

Best of all, use a tripod if you have one. If you don't have a tripod, invest in one and your photos will go from "soft" to "sharp" right away!

Additional tip if you have a tripod or a rest that won't move . . . set your camera on "timer" mode, then gently depress the shutter button with the finesse of a great trigger pull . . . then gently remove your hand entirely from the camera before it fires. Doing so will totally remove any vibration caused even by a blood vessel in your body vibrating the camera! Sort of like triggering a gun on a bench via a Ransom Rest!"

2. WHEN SHOOTING SHINY METAL OBJECTS WITH CURVES IN THEM . . .
Never, ever use flash. The light from the flash will bounce right back to the lens and show you every little smudge and the most miniscule little scratches which possible you'll never see with a naked eye!

You want soft, even, diffuse light when you shoot. Others have covered this well. Outdoors on a shady day works well, as does shooting indoors on a table or bed with soft, filtered sunlight. Lots of ways to do it . . . just no harsh light (like a flash) reflecting on the gun!

3. MAXIMIZE YOUR DEPTH OF FIELD (the range of depth from the front of the gun to the back that is acceptably in focus in your shot). This means . . .

Move your camera's rotary dial from "P" mode to "A" (Aperture) mode. "Program" mode is programmed to make the same mistake every time under certain situations. It's absolutelywonderful for "snap shots" but you are wanting a sharp gun image!

Once you set the knob to "A" go to your +/- adjustment area and hit + until the Aperture you select is a high number (ie: 16 or higher vs. 4 or so). Remember, the HIGHER the number, the greater the depth of field that will remain in acceptable focus!!!

Shooting close-up photography means the depth of field will be quite shallow from front to back on the gun . . . so you need a high "A" number to make this happen. On "P" mode you might be quite disappointed. It doesn't know what you are shooting!

BTW, you MUST use a tripod or brace the camera so it cannot move AT ALL when using a high A number like 16, 19, 22 or higher, for the camera will be forced to slow down the shutter speed to expose correctly for a high "A" setting! NO vibration is a must when the shutter may be open for a long time!

HOPE THIS HELPS . . .

I'll add other tips in a moment.

Tom
 
Try a background with more contrast. The grays blend in to much with the gun.

THIS^^^^^
I use light blue felt stuff my Wife had (goes with S&W:)) and use the lights I mentioned. If I take the same shot with a white or grey back ground the picture is terrible (again this is on lazy/auto mode)

Thanks Tom for you words of advice, I started playing with the aperture mode but got lazy again. I even made a "light house" and set up on a tripod even though I have anti shake and the pics were better but all I wanted was pics for record keeping. Outside is much easier for me.:o
 
What is it that you don't like about the photos? Hard to know where to go without first having more info.
 
What is it that you don't like about the photos? Hard to know where to go without first having more info.

Well, it's hard to explain. They look like more "snap shots" than "pictures." They kinda look "cheap" you know. Not really nice...
 
Okay, here's another try...

Procedure like tom turner said; tri-pod, self timer, Modus A, Aperture 10.

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Same thing, just with auto correct ...

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Hi again Jorge,

One way to get really even light, which really helps when shooting guns (with a camera), is a light tent. The externally lit light tent will allow the light to come through totally diffuse, and thus give perfect, even light.

I made one "on the cheap" and so can you. All you need is a few low cost, easy-to-get items. When you are done you can break it all down for storage in no time flat! BTW, DO NOT glue the PVC elbows together!

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PS: I'm usually much too impatient to set it up, instead using other diffuse lighting that's naturally around us in places . . . but when I'm REALLY serious about getting a sharp shot, its the best way!
 
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Dang, you have a whole photo studio there...

Thanks for sharing this, I now will go and do my homework!

P.S. I'm impatient too, that might be my problem right there...
 
Hi again Jorge,

You are getting there. Actually, we all are once we decide to really pay attention and learn to improve our images!

Can I give a kindly suggestion?

"Black guns" are basically shades of gray. Eventually very dark gray turns into "black" and the lightest shades turn into white.

Compounding matters, the light meter in a camera doesn't know what part of the image it 'sees' on its screen is the part of the image that needs to be perfectly exposed, so the camera is programmed to "average" all the extremes together and come up with the "average" exposure compensation needed.

To the camera's image sensor, it is going to expose for an "average" luminosity of 18% gray. That is a medium gray color. At this point the camera isn't worrying about color so let's avoid THAT talk right now.

UNFORTUNATELY, your gun isn't medium gray in luminosity at all . . . it is deep black, but the camera doesn't have a brain . . . so it OVEREXPOSES your image to make the black gun "properly" exposed as medium gray. NOT GOOD!

Now let's talk COLOR. Your camera sets exposure based on luminosity (shades of black to white), so your background will help "trick" the camera if it sees a background of 18% gray OR a color background that is medium in shade that equals that medium gray in luminosity.

SUGGESTION . . . try a splash of medium shaded color behind your black gun . . . and maybe the gun will "pop" in the photo.

I HATE this attached image, but I've kept working on it to show you what it might mean to you.

My background here is a burgundy(medium/dark), so I have to "trick" my camera (since I know the background AND the gun are a little darker than most scenes). So, I adjust my exposure manually to "overexpose" this image by about + 1 or +1.5. This way, the camera won't expose for the programed average medium tones and end up with a gray gun! LOL

If I'd used a medium-toned color background I would not have had to manually trick my camera's light meter. YOUR camera will manually do the same . . . that's why that advanced feature is on it!

Hope this helps.

Here's the shot I hate . . . since this Para's frame is a gray-black in tone instead of a rich black like the slide. Plus the "black" plastic grips are also not pure black.

Even after a lot of post-processing effort, this is the best I could get it. It is still a pretty decent shot though . . . and I wanted to show it to you so you can see how a splash of color can make an image jump.

If you shoot your black gun on a monochromatic background it will trick the camera to overexpose the shot and make it all look flat.

Hope this helps! BTW, this image was shot INSIDE the light tent I pictured above . . . only I placed this colored fabric on top of the white paper under the gun and also draped it behind the gun and over the PVC pipe to make a burgundy "wall" behind the gun.

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PS: I also propped up the gun with a hidden prop that you can't see in the photo. This allows the gun to seem to "float" in front of the background, and also cast a shadow . . . and this gives the image depth.

1. Laying a gun flat on a surface won't have the same effect at all!

2. Letting the background be a couple of inches (or more) behind the propped gun also adds to the feel of dimension.
 
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I changed the florescent bulbs on the ceiling to of my workshop 6500K. I changed the florescent bulb in a desk lamp to 6500K. I clamped a white poster board to my workbench and curved it up to the back wall to get the same kind of curved surface as Tom does.

Here is a 25-9 with the side plate off that I took at F11 on Aperture mode with the camera on a tripod. Notice that everything in the gun is in focus. Someone Hard Chromed the gun before I bought it. They even did the interior parts. CLick on the Photo to get a larger size.

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Nice image LouisianaJoe!

Yes, I'm glad you mentioned the seamless, curved background . . . for light catches and defines corners and that ain't good. And, as your shot so perfectly shows, a seamless and evenly lit white background will remain nearly perfectly 'white.'

White is my general background 'color' of preference. It can look so clean as a background for firearms.

Jorge, I'd add though, that a pure white background and a shiny 'white' revolver like this will appear to the camera as too 'light,' so the mindless camera will attempt to over-expose the entire image to turn the white to 10% gray.

The answer? Under-expose by a stop or so (ex: -1 or -1.5 on your Fuji camera's exposure comp setting and it will look white as it should!

BTW LousianaJoe, that's a cool .45 Long Colt!!!
 
My camera is a Canon T1i. It has the ability to pick up a spot that is used to focus and set the exposure. To use the feature I point where I want to set it and depress the button half way down. then I can center the photo and take the shot. Here is an example of using that. I aimed above the bird to set the focus, then aimed at the bird. Had I not done that the focus would have been on the foreground.

The Fuji has the same feature. It can be handy if you want a particular object to be in focus.

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Yours is a great questions that any camera afficionado has dealt with! I'm not familiar with your camera, but may I suggest:

If the camera allows you to control the aperture of your camera, get your instruction manual out and read about setting your camera to A or aperture control. You want to set it so that the so-called F stop is as high a number as you can set it for the lens on your camera. A high F stop number, like F 20, means that the actual iris opening on your camera is small, but your depth of field, that is the part of the picture that is in sharpest focus, is bigger than if the F stop number is small, like an F 4.

If your camera doesn't give you A control but has symbols like the shape of a flower or a person running, try shooting with your camera set on these various symbols. The person running should set your camera of a higher F stop number; the flower, a low F stop number.

The idea to shoot near a window so you have natural light is a good one. It is also good to add additional lights if you can so that the light shines from a 45 degree angle toward your subject from either side of the camera. The lights should be in front of your camera [but not so you see them through the camera--set them out to the sides wide] so that your shadow will not fall on the subject.

If your window is too bright, a light sheet hung over it can dim it a bit [or wait for a different time of day]. Wax paper is a good home aid to cover flashes that may be too bright also.

If you have a tripod, use it. If you don't, place a bag of beans--small beans work best--on a table top or a stack of books to prevent your camera from moving slightly as you shoot.

Try taking 2 pictures each at various F stops so that your area of sharpest focus changes. Then compare them. Also try rearranging your materials. In general, groupings of 3 are the most pleasing to the eye so try arranging your items in a more triangular arrangement. A slight overlap can make 2 items appear visually as one.

Finally, try changing the angle between your subject and the camera. Raise and lower your tripod or books. I sometimes shoot with a special stand so that I can shoot straight down, but you might be able to get a similar shot by hanging over the back of a wing back chair or sofa [be careful, don't tip over!].

Have fun and keep at it. The tips I've given you are ways that pro photographers deal with a still life composition, but the folks I know often take dozens of photos before they finally the one they really like.
 
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Jorge, great advice from LL617.

"Stopping down" to a very small aperture (high number) will give the maximum "depth of field" as measured from near to far spots on your image that are in focus. Heck, I've got an old medium format film camera with an f-stop (aperture) adjustment of a whopping 45!

This is extremely critical with doing close-up, table top and macro photography . . . because the in focus depth becomes very, very shallow indeed!

A NEW TWIST . . . (I'm trying to take do this in little chunks)

"THE RULE OF THIRDS" as it relates to maximizing accurate depth of field

In photography school they teach this concept, that for a given aperture setting, lens and distance from an object that a certain depth of field will be acceptably sharp (in focus).

Basically, the higher the f-stop (aperture) number, the greater the depth of field! Here's where the rule of thirds comes in . . .

Divide the distance that is acceptably sharp by three, then precisely focus your camera for a spot that's 1/3 of the way into that sharp zone. For instance, if the sharp depth of field is 9," focus 3" into the area you want to be razor sharp . . . and all 9" of that area will be sharp!

Yes, there are charts out there that can tell you the depth of field for all the aperture settings!

HOW IT CAN BENEFIT YOU SHOOTING GUNS . . .

The sharp range, using a very high number aperture to shoot a handgun is very, very limited . . . mere inches.

1. IF you were to focus on the front of the handgun itself, at its closest point to your lens, the in-focus area would start well in front of the object, yet get blurry on the furthest part of the gun.

2. So, measure the distance on the gun that must be kept sharp, divide the distance by three and focus 1/3rd of the way into that zone!

In this example, I desired to have the leading edge, back to about the front of the cylinder in focus, and I did NOT want the trailing away barrel to be sharp. So, I measured and determined to precisely focus on the S&W seal on the gun's wooden grip . . . and this accomplished exactly what I wanted.
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3. IF the front edge of the gun is not sharp the depth of field at that range is not sufficient to keep the gun sharp from front to back. If this happens, focus further to the front of the object!

NO . . . they don't tell you this in manuals that come with most cameras . . . its a technique only important to photographers desiring to control what is sharp on the image and what becomes blurry.

BY THE SAME TOKEN, photographers intentionally use LARGE, wide-open aperture settings (low aperture number, i.e.: 2.8 or lower) sometimes to intentionally blur the background to highlight an object in the forefront.

Something like this . . . TOTALLY different aperture settings to achieve different results with varying amount of out-of-focus elements in the background that will highlight what I'm trying to accomplish!

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or this . . .

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Yep, I use "P" for Program on snapshots too . . . but when I have a little time to think, I'm taking control from the little computer in the camera that doesn't know what I'm trying to create. You can learn this too, Jorge!

Hope this helps . . .
 
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Really great advice here!

I am not an accomplished photographer. I take dozens of pictures, from a variety of angles, from a variety of distances, on a variety of backgrounds (I use T-shirts) with timer and tripod, natural light, prop up the gun, and.... some come out okay. I also use the rotate and crop function in the computer software to manipulate the picture to the angle that looks best to me.

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You guys are killing me :D

Thanks for all the great advice. I will read through all this later and take my time. Also, after I got some supplies today I will take more pictures :)

I'll be back ;)
 
Can I give a kindly suggestion?

I'm always open minded to constructive criticism :)

UNFORTUNATELY, your gun isn't medium gray in luminosity at all . . . it is deep black, but the camera doesn't have a brain . . . so it OVEREXPOSES your image to make the black gun "properly" exposed as medium gray. NOT GOOD!

The Springfield 1911 is actually SS/BLK and therefore - I assume - little confusing to the camera.

While the batteies for the Fuji are still charging I was playing around with my Praktica luxmedia 7103 (7MP). Also I thought to start off with an easier task, since I chose a black gun.

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After the batteries are fully charged I will play some more... :D
 
More Fuji pix... :)

This one is a lil bit dark... don't know why honestly...

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Here are 2 pix I like better...

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