Would you buy a micro compact DA/SA chambered in 30 Super Carry?

[Telecaster]

I would rock it in .30 or 9mm, but I really want a seven shot moon clipped .30 super carry Kimber K6s / scandium k frame, or six shot 640 versions (since they discontinued the .327 variants like the 632)

I'd rather have a .327 J frame than a .30SC anything. More versitile ammo choices. The caveat is, those versitile ammo choices are scarce and pricey. So I'll stick with 9mm and .357 and .45ACP.

 

[Shibadog]

I'd rather have a .327 J frame than a .30SC anything. More versitile ammo choices. The caveat is, those versitile ammo choices are scarce and pricey. So I'll stick with 9mm and .357 and .45ACP.

Plus the .30 SC appears to be a solution in search of a problem. The old 7.65 Luger pushed a 93 gr pill at (if memory serves) something like 1200 fps.. The new .30 basically is sending a 100 gr pill at similar velocity. This is 120 years of progress? Simple fact is most of the "new" cartridges introduced in the past 30 yrs + are just a repackaged version of something that's already around. Critters, both 2 legged and four legged haven't changed in the last couple hundred years, and the rounds designed to deal with them 100 yrs ago work just as well ((or better with new bullets) now as they did then. Heck, even the new .277 Fury the military has adopted isn't much more than a 7mm/.08 (or the ancient .276 Peterson) that's been hotrodded to absurd pressure levels and requires a special hybrid case for a mere 500 fps increase in velocity. As the old saying goes, nothing new under the sun.

 

[Dave Lively]

Plus the .30 SC appears to be a solution in search of a problem.

The problem it solves is more capacity in a small gun.

There are quite a few people that use Magguts spring kits or extended magazines and baseplates to get an extra round or two. Once the P365 and similar guns came out lots of people switched to it so they could have and extra 3 or 4 rounds compared to the single stack 9mm pistols they were carrying.

Its not as big as difference as going from a Glock 43 to a Sig P365 but a couple of more rounds in the same size gun does have a lot of appeal.

 

[IAM Rand]

Too many boutique cartridges out there these days. I fell down the rabbit hole with the 460 mag and the 6 ARC. Don't need the 30SC.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

More capacity with very similar ballistics to 9mm might make a DA/SA micro compact "9mm" (but in 30 super carry) more feasible. That's the advantage. We still haven't seen a DA/SA micro compact 9mm hit the market yet. If you can't tell, I'm a DA/SA guy.

That same argument (using 9mm and .45ACP) is what got us here in the first place. Now we are just down sizing it to a "9mm to .30 super dooper holding more rounds" debate. Da mo tings change da mo dey don't

 

[GaryS]

No, but mainly because I don't want to have to stock yet another caliber. I got rid of guns in .40 and .380 for that reason.

 

[RoyM52]

I think a re-introduction of some discontinued models {649, 632 } would be a better use of resources than producing ANOTHER new model that requires new cartridge development and ammo supply.

 

[Alk8944]

What I would really like to have is the L-Frame .32-20 that Roy Jinks one time told me he has. This was while the S&W collection was traveling years ago, while it was in Omaha. I had told him I really would like an N-Frame .32-20. I don't know if he was serious! He assured me he was.

 

[Valmet]

I don't see myself buying anything in .30 Super Carry…

 

[crows]

If the cartridge were less expensive and available in a firearm that I liked, then sure, I could see myself getting a micro compact in .30 Super Carry.

I was tempted by the M&P30 Shield PLUS in the past...

Heck, get Walther to make a variation of the PPK chambered in .30 Super Carry and I guarantee you that I'll buy/carry it!

Ya know, I was one of the nope, not getting into another cartridge.
Then you had to go and mention the idea of the PPK chambered in .30 SC.....

 

[crc4]

I've learned that when manufacturers can't make their existing guns with better QC, they come up with something new as smoke and mirrors to attract those who are fascinated by shiny keys dangled over their heads.

 

[Rick Sanborn]

Yes…maybe. My 365 in 30 super with a 15 or better capacity? Maybe.

 

[FlyTyinFool]

You lost me at micro compact.

Lost me again at .30 super-duper.

I just don't like or need either, and the combo doesn't help me at all.

YMMV

 

[Road Rat]

I got lost when someone said the 9mm recoiled too much and the short 9mm wasn't powerful enough!!! Really. The new .30 should have been DOA!

 

[Tex1001]

I really don't see much use for the .30 Super Carry. Just don't see the advantage over 9x19. Besides, I already have "super .30's." They're called Polish and Romanian Tokarevs in 7.62x25.

(Giggles while fondling two CZ52s).
ETA:
With spare 9x19 barrels for both.

 

[Pisgah]

Maybe. If it worked.

 

[M29since14]

No. Not buying. I have a P365 - and a 342PD, if ultra lightweight is a major consideration. I have nothing much against DA/SA actions in bigger handguns, but I don't need it in a P365.

As for the .30 SC, I can do without it. I agree with an earlier response that a K-frame size revolver in .327 would probably get my attention, if made in some reasonable (non-ugly) configuration, but I don't see much to interest me in .30 SC. Ho hum…

 

[Dave Lively]

Yes…maybe. My 365 in 30 super with a 15 or better capacity? Maybe.

The flush fitting magazine would probably go from 10 rounds to 12. But if you carry with the 12 round 9mm mag and one in the chamber you could get to 15 in a 30 P365.

If I had to choose one carry gun that would be the only carry gun I had for the rest of my life it wouldn't be a 30 SC. Its struggling to catch on even as a niche round. But in the nearly 20 years I have had a carry permit I have gone from a Kahr PM9 to a Glock 43 to a P365. If after 5 years of carrying a 30 SC I had to go back to 9mm because 30 SC ammo was discontinued its not like my retirement would be ruined. It wouldn't be the first time I bought a gun, realized it was not the gun for me or had problems with it and sold it at a loss.

Its amusing to hear people with dozens of guns talk about how they will not buy a 30 SC because it is not a huge improvement over 9mm when they have a "rotation" of several guns they carry depending on the weather, how they are dressed, which side of the bed they wake up on, etc. and want to have the perfect carry gun for every occasion.

If Sig did offer a 365 in 30 SC I would buy one too. I would keep the 9mm version so I could practice with cheaper ammo and have a backup if 30 SC ammo becomes scarce. The recoil from a 30 SC is so similar to 9mm it would be like practicing with a 22.

 

[BSA1]

I don't believe in carrying a MICRO size handgun in any caliber for self-defense. I am also not a supporter of pocket carry that is so popular on this forum.

Perhaps it is your use of the click-bait word MICRO that causes me to vote no. You don't describe what you consider to be MICRO size but mention the SIG P365 which doesn't meet my definition of MICRO.

 

[LVSteve]

I don't believe in carrying a MICRO size handgun in any caliber for self-defense. I am also not a supporter of pocket carry that is so popular on this forum.

Perhaps it is your use of the click-bait word MICRO that causes me to vote no. You don't describe what you consider to be MICRO size but mention the SIG P365 which doesn't meet my definition of MICRO.

Whether we like it or not, the Sig P365 has become the standard for what the market considers "micro-compact".

That said, there are many here and on other forums who buy such pistols and immediately complain that their micro gun is so small its size makes it difficult for them to shoot easily. Really? What did they expect to happen? Next thing they are fitting bigger mags to extend the grip, or an entirely different grip frame (if the gun is modular) to bring the gun up to subcompact size, usually at considerable expense. Just leaves me shaking my head, especially when there is a perfectly functional sub-compact class gun available, often for less money.

It's real simple for me: if I cannot shoot a particular pistol with hanging pinky, I don't buy it. Either because of the pistol's superior design or some skill on my part (you decide ) I can shoot a Walther PPS M2 quite well with the short magazine and my pinky dangling. Do I shoot better with the longer mag and full grip? Of course, but there's a trade-off to be made between shootability and concealment.

Getting back on topic, building a micro-compact DA/SA pistol to suit US tastes is hard, and maybe impossible. I say this because the older, very small guns I can think of that are DA/SA all use a device many on here consider the work of the Devil. I speak of the slide mounted decocker/safety, a device known to create much fear and loathing across the US.

Well, it all comes down to space. If you take a 1" wide gun (the standard for "micro") and design with a locked breech, a hammer and require DA/SA operation, at some point all the linkages and gee-jaws required mean that you run out of space for the safety lever(s) and a shaft to pivot on. In the past, the standard European fix was the slide mounted safety. See Walther PP/PPK and clones. Heck, look at the number of larger guns that went down that road, Ruger P94/95, Beretta 92, S&W 3rd gens. The only gun I can think of that gets close is the CZ RAMI, and that uses a either a safety with no decocker or a decocker only, and is 1.3" inches thick. After some looking around it becomes easy to see why small guns these days are nearly all striker fired and made of polymer.