Wrong Person Getting Fired

[DeadAye]

In bubbiesdad's recent thread Robbery fail: Another added there were several links to news stories about the robbery. There is a link to another story in one of those stories.

THIS IS PREPOSTEROUS!
Whoever is in charge of the Wayne County, Michigan public services should be run out of town on a rail.

I have 2 questions:
1. Does anyone know if this is a true story?
2. If so, where do I (better yet, WE) write in protest?

Seriously - This guy's bosses need to be picking up cans on the side of MI highways to make a living - NOT being in charge of ANYONE.

 

[JJEH]

Wow, that is just wrong...

 

[Mickey D]

Once again, no common sense used.

 

[M&P Freak]

Wow. Common sense is dead.

 

[nipster]

WJBK reports that Chevilott, who wants his job back, was also fired for insubordination and unauthorized access to the department's road yard.

I think you are glancing over the above quoted from the story. I saw the article last week, posted on another forum, but I bet there is more to the story than it is leading on.

"Unauthorized access to the department's road yard" = may mean he was stealing stuff but they cant prove that, so this is what they come up with.

 

[Dennis The B]

Wayne County has belatedly come up with a policy for employees who find firearms in the due course of work. Kind of an "Eddie Eagle" policy: Don't touch. Call a supervisor, etc.

However, Chevillot was offered something short of termination, and he's refused the offer. It's put Wayne County management on the hot seat, again.

In the TV interview, he didn't specifically deny the county accusation, but Wayne County's representative didn't get specific about the charge, either.

At some point, Chevillot will probably get a lawyer, and Wayne County taxpayers will be out all that cost, plus back wages, etc.

PS - The Wayne County Chief Executive, Robert Ficano may be censured today by the Wayne County Commssioners. He's had several appointees accused by the Feds, and state authorities of various crimes. He claims he only knew when the lid blew off.

You have to assume that Ficano is either dumber than a box of rocks, or he's the most crooked executive since his predecessor, Ed McNamara. Unfortunately McNamara died before the Feds indicted him for corruption.

 

[LVSteve]

I look forward to the day when a fired guy's (or girl's) attorney stands up and immediately points out that insubordination is an offence that can only be committed in the military or a paramiltary organisation.

 

[GaryS]

I look forward to the day when a fired guy's (or girl's) attorney stands up and immediately points out that insubordination is an offence that can only be committed in the military or a paramiltary organisation.

Any hierarchical organization can use the term, it is not restricted to the military or paramilitary organizations. Essentially anyone who refuses a legal order by a supervisor or manager can be charged with insubordination. While it is strongly associated with the military and uniformed services, it's not exclusive to them.

In this particular case, it seems like this is being used as a justification for the termination. It's likely that we'll never know the results of the inevitable arbitration hearing.

 

[feralmerril]

Do you suppose the county is so broke up there that they look for any feeble excuse to fire someone near retirement so they dont have to pay retirement and medical benifits? We all have heard about detroit!

 

[Pasifikawv]

NEVER LEAVE A LOADED GUN UNATTENDED.

When the police did not come to get the gun after being called, the worker turned it in. He was thanked for doing the right thing.

Had the worker left the gun in its place at the end of the shift, both he and the County could have faced both criminal charges and civil liability for blatant disregard of public safety - especially if the gun was discovered and improperly used to result in personal injury, loss of property, or death.

 

[nipster]

I look forward to the day when a fired guy's (or girl's) attorney stands up and immediately points out that insubordination is an offence that can only be committed in the military or a paramiltary organisation.

What makes you think that?

 

[Buckey08]

Welcome to Michigan!

 

[sigp220.45]

I think you are glancing over the above quoted from the story. I saw the article last week, posted on another forum, but I bet there is more to the story than it is leading on.

"Unauthorized access to the department's road yard" = may mean he was stealing stuff but they cant prove that, so this is what they come up with.

I agree - there is a whole "rest of the story" we know nothing about.

 

[Fishslayer]

I agree - there is a whole "rest of the story" we know nothing about.

"...two years short of retirement..."

IMO that is the "rest of the story."

 

[feralmerril]

If he was a suspected thief on the job I really doubt he would have turned the gun he found in----unless he hit it with his mower and it was about useless anyway. Then that could have been the opertunity the county was waiting for to save money.
I suspect he will win this with the state labor board if they have nothing else.

 

[zonker5]

I look forward to the day when a fired guy's (or girl's) attorney stands up and immediately points out that insubordination is an offence that can only be committed in the military or a paramiltary organisation.

Not true. Insubordination is a firing offense in most civilian companies, I know it is where I worked.

 

[feralmerril]

It was a divoriceing offense for my ex years ago.

 

[Dennis The B]

If he was a suspected thief on the job I really doubt he would have turned the gun he found in----unless he hit it with his mower and it was about useless anyway. Then that could have been the opertunity the county was waiting for to save money.
I suspect he will win this with the state labor board if they have nothing else.

From the news footage, the mower hit the revolver with its blade, taking a chunk out of the muzzle. Probably only worth scrap value, now.

 

[blujax01]

If you're so inclined, here's where you voice your concerns.

City of Wayne, Michigan - Homepage

 

[feralmerril]

Well that did no good. As hard as I tried multiable times my E-mail wouldnt go through.

 

[nipster]

Not true. Insubordination is a firing offense in most civilian companies, I know it is where I worked.

It is also in the one government job I worked too. One of the few things they could fire you for including theft and lying.

 

[LVSteve]

Gary S, zonker5 and nipster have just supported something I have said for years since I came to the US. Much of US industry has not got away from the confrontational and military style of management it adopted in WWII and during the Cold War, courtesy of the military/industrial complex. The scary part for me is that much of the population seems to find nothing wrong with this attitude.

I still say it would be interesting for a labour lawyer to throw that grenade in and see where a judge or jury took it.