Glock 19 has been the most carried, but last 2 years both a sig p365 and a sa hellcat pro have been carried
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scoobysnacker
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I have a nice Daewoo DP 51 that is a tad smaller than fullsize, has 14 rd mags, and in a pinch can take my 59xx mags. It's a nice option.
A bit heavier, I recently picked up an Astra A100. Roughly the same dimensions as a Glock 19 but all steel, with 17 rd mags, and same manual of arms as my Sig P226.
A bit heavier, I recently picked up an Astra A100. Roughly the same dimensions as a Glock 19 but all steel, with 17 rd mags, and same manual of arms as my Sig P226.
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glock 19 for me
So, this thread made me look on the Sig website to check out the specs on the P365. It is slightly smaller than the EC9s I carry, and has 3 more cartridge capacity, so I will be on the look-out for one. I'd like to physically compare them side by side and feel of the gun in hand. Maybe buy one just to see if I like it for a while. The price is less than I anticipated.
Thanks for an informative thread.
Thanks for an informative thread.
That sounds like an instructor with a bias trying to make a (pointless) point.
It's no more difficult to grab the slide, press it out of battery, and then hold it. 1/8" is plenty. That works with almost any semiauto pistol.
Controlling the slide also leaves you with leverage on the pistol to control the muzzle Pull the pistol down, reach over the shooters arm to grab the butt and twist until he either lets go or gets his finger broken in the trigger guard.
The lessons should be:
1) Don't let an assailant get that close;
2) Keep the pistol close in and shoot from a retention position.
3) Don't be 100% reliant on a handgun, but rather also learn open hand skills, as well as learn how to take or regain the initiative, put and keep an assailant off balance, and then keep the assailant off balance and at arm's length to create time and space for a draw and shot from a close in retention position.
NONE of the above...........
Although I was an early purchaser, there is nothing wrong with buying a proven successful platform. Unless one has tested all those later pistols, the comparison is just speculation. There may be nothing wrong with the others and not every design is for everybody, but my Sig P365 has proven itself over and over again at the range to be utterly reliable, very shootable and combat accurate right out of the box.
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STORMINORMAN
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Just google "Ruger EC9S vs. SIG P365" & go to handgunhunter and compare them side-to-side (with an overlay as well)...
Cheers!
LVSteve
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The grips on those guns are wildly different, so you really need to feel them in your hand. The Ruger has a thin grip (left/right) but longish front to back. The Sig 365 has a very squat and rounded grip with the front to back distance about as small as you can go for the cartridge. I cannot grip the Sig worth a damn with my skinny hands and long fingers, it feels like a bar of soap to me.
Anybody have any experience with a Beretta 92-C?
dsf
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Actually was wearing OWB. Probably too much moving around doing yardwork that got me. Nothing between the gun and my side.
Jäger1
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Am I going to be the first one to say "that's one DUMB instructor"? I'd be happy to risk a $5 bet that this "instructor" is teaching his personal bias to anybody unfortunate enough to have this person as their supposed instructor.
What would the instructor's brilliant comeback have been if somebody knowledgeable there had said "What would happened Mr. LGS Instructor, if that had been a striker fired Walther and you'd simply used that same hand to push the slide of that Walther backwards and out of battery - instead of hoping you could actually get the web of your hand between the hammer and slide while risking missing your attempt to do that"?
Or... I guess I one could say "Striker fired pistols, hammer fired pistols, revolvers without a hammer shroud, no difference if you're dumb enough to let somebody get close enough to disable the weapon - including with a cute (and stupid) hand trick nobody with any training would attempt before you fire..."
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I love helping other people spend their money! I fall into the "something else?" option. And these little guns are rarely carried versus my usual carry - not often that it is too difficult/too onerous to carry the C-series Browning High Power what I've been carrying for decades.
If I was starting to carry now, perhaps I'd find it far too big/too heavy - I can see that point of view. But that's not me. But with age... perhaps one day I'll be carrying a little gun mounting an optical sight and laser/flashlight... I see the advantages of that.
Until that day... assuming all else is equal i.e. all fit equally good in your hand, all about the same dimensions for concealed carry, etc... I'm one of those dinosaurs (apparently) who, if it doesn't have an exposed hammer, single action, and a safety like my regular carry does, then I'm going to look elsewhere.
Which would leave ME looking at compacts/sub compacts/whatever like the S&W CSX and Kimber Micro Nine types of pistols. I'm aware that the Sigs and Hellcat types are the flavor of the year and many, many people are happy with them... obviously, they're fine pistols and their owners are satisfied with their choices. I'm not going to say they're wrong.
But not for me; I simply see the world differently than those who prefer striker fired and/or believe that a few more rounds in the pistol in question is the game changer. I want an exposed hammer, single action, and a safety... and when it comes pretty much in the same sized package, I'm not going to lose sleep that it doesn't hold as many rounds.
Now that I've become one of the many willing to help you spend your money, I wonder what you'll roll with once you've tried them all in hand at your local purveyor of Evil Child Killing Machines?
One local store will happily take them out of their display cases to handle, dry fire, etc as much as you want. I appreciate them doing that... but that's not the local store I'd actually buy one from (doesn't seem to harm their firearms sales as they compete with Cabelas across the road from them).
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I have a gen 4 G19 and I like it just fine. I also have a gen 2 G23 wearing a PSA Dagger upper turning it into another G19. It works just fine. I liked the G23 as it was but like you the price of 9mm figured in.
I have a Hellcat with safety and optics cut. It's wearing a plain label Shield red dot. It holds 11+1 with the standard Mag which seems like plenty to me. I nearly always carry a spare reload and it's the 13 round mag. Thats 24 rounds, more rounds than I carried most of my career. which was 18. Sometimes I reverse the order of the mags. The 11 round mag has a pinky rest which I can get 1/2 of my pinky on. The 13 round mag really only is visably longer in the heel but I can get 3/4 on my pinky on it. The Hellcat carries very easily IWB. I like the Hellcat very much for it's size category.
But I also very much like my Glock 19. It is bigger and doesn't carry as easily. But I also like it very much for it's size category.
I carried a 669 for many years and still have it. I don't really understand why anyone would prefer a double/single action with todays alternatives. I also never saw the 6906 as an improvement. Yes the trigger is a bit smoother but that's negated if the 669 is carried on half cock.
I held the 365 before I bought the Hellcat, The hellcat felt better to me. I haven't looked at the Shield plus as I've been happy enough with the Hellcat that I haven't looked for anything else.
PSA has their new Dagger Micro with Shield optics cut for $340. Based on the (G-19) Dagger upper I bought from them I'd say it's probably worth considering but I've never actually held one.
I still like my low capacity Springfield XDs in .45 too.
I have a Hellcat with safety and optics cut. It's wearing a plain label Shield red dot. It holds 11+1 with the standard Mag which seems like plenty to me. I nearly always carry a spare reload and it's the 13 round mag. Thats 24 rounds, more rounds than I carried most of my career. which was 18. Sometimes I reverse the order of the mags. The 11 round mag has a pinky rest which I can get 1/2 of my pinky on. The 13 round mag really only is visably longer in the heel but I can get 3/4 on my pinky on it. The Hellcat carries very easily IWB. I like the Hellcat very much for it's size category.
But I also very much like my Glock 19. It is bigger and doesn't carry as easily. But I also like it very much for it's size category.
I carried a 669 for many years and still have it. I don't really understand why anyone would prefer a double/single action with todays alternatives. I also never saw the 6906 as an improvement. Yes the trigger is a bit smoother but that's negated if the 669 is carried on half cock.
I held the 365 before I bought the Hellcat, The hellcat felt better to me. I haven't looked at the Shield plus as I've been happy enough with the Hellcat that I haven't looked for anything else.
PSA has their new Dagger Micro with Shield optics cut for $340. Based on the (G-19) Dagger upper I bought from them I'd say it's probably worth considering but I've never actually held one.
I still like my low capacity Springfield XDs in .45 too.
92 Compact?
Ya, have several.... got my first in 1988 an F,
Nice small duty size gun with current Mec-gar mags it's now 15+1; spare 18rd mag(s)
My preferred hi-cap carry gun!
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