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Current day possible incident.

Whatever reason, you had to go the a mid size or large city.
Wrong turn maybe, or you find yourself in a
sudden confrontation with a large protest group that have
managed to stop traffic on a main roadway.

Your blocked in.

The car in front of you is being attacked....windows broken
large crowd rocking the vehicle.
The driver in the vehicle to your front right is being dragged from
her truck.
Your rear window shatters...


Your armed.......
 
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serger said:
I'll bite. You put your vehicle in reverse and get the hell out of
dodge. If you have extra lubrication under your tires, so be it.
Your firearm is to repel boarders
Like Winston said:
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You might have to use the northern drivers trick of getting out of being stuck in snow! Its called rocking. Go forward and them backwards fast, each time you do that you should gain some space by moving vechicles if necessary. Consider the fact there is no bag limit, run over any rioter in your way. Go to the nearest safe place and report in. Feel sorry for the other driver, say a prayer or two for him but your gun is for you. Hey its a tough world out there you got to play hard to win. :mad:
 
lrrifleman said:
Unfortunately, this scenario could be very likely and any response could be used to indicate premeditation. Therefore, I will exercise my right to remain silent
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Premeditation? Hardly, preparation, exactly.
Having a general plan of how you will respond in a given situation is the very basis of situational awareness. Referencing "The Tactical Edge-Surviving High Risk Patrol" by Charles Remsberg, chapter one, concerning violent encounters: "Positive self talk grounded in survival proficiency is an active ingredient of mental preparation, one means of giving yourself the will to match your skill....Officers who've not thought beforehand about this issue frequently hesitate when milliseconds count."
In other words, "what if" questions serve the valuable purpose of allowing us to discuss and envision a positive outcome for encounters that are sometimes beyond our control. And, since no one can envision every possible threat, I value these "what would you do threads."
If you change your mind concerning your fifth amendment rights I'd enjoy reading you thoughts.
 
Two words -> Reginald Denny

It didn't work out well for him, and that is exactly why you must take immediate action to prevent injury or death.

In Texas, we have the law of parties. I would bet that a reasonable man would hold the crowd of rioters accountable as one under that law, or at least the one's in your immediate path to safety.
 
SAFireman said:
I don't have one, but it looks to be effective

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I used to travel to South Africa a lot from about 1993 to about 2003 and the car jacking problem was so bad people really had these things on their cars. There was another system that had swords that popped out and chopped carjackers off at the ankles. Everyone I knew there was always armed.
 
In the "what if" scenario the OP draws, unless your vehicle's equipped with something belt fed, you're SOL. Once your Glock 19 runs dry, the crowd will get you. Best idea? Stay away from anywhere trouble might bubble up. Failing that, find alternate routes to/from where you need to be.
 
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RGPM1A said:
I used to travel to South Africa a lot from about 1993 to about 2003 and the car jacking problem was so bad people really had these things on their cars. There was another system that had swords that popped out and chopped carjackers off at the ankles. Everyone I knew there was always armed.
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I like the sword idea. The flamethrower looks like it would be hard on the paint job. With the swords, just run it through the nearest car wash before the blood dries. And who car jacks someone using a P-38?
 
lrrifleman said:
Unfortunately, this scenario could be very likely and any response could be used to indicate premeditation. Therefore, I will exercise my right to remain silent
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In fact, the situation itself precludes premeditation because you are set upon by surprise.


In this situation, because it has devolved to the point of someone breaking into your car, everyone else is on their own for the moment. You must take care of yourself first. If you don't, the debate about helping others is completely pointless.

If I'm armed, I'm defending my position as I can. Whether or not I leave the vehicle depends on how the situation is developing.
 
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The trouble is, if you drive off and run over someone not directly threatening your life, you will likely be considered the aggressor.

This is a no win situation.

I'd sit and wait for a gap I could drive through without hitting anyone.
 
SAFireman said:
Two words -> Reginald Denny

It didn't work out well for him, and that is exactly why you must take immediate action to prevent injury or death.

In Texas, we have the law of parties. I would bet that a reasonable man would hold the crowd of rioters accountable as one under that law, or at least the one's in your immediate path to safety.
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I've never understood why Denny opened the door to his truck or allowed it to be opened so he could be pulled from it. It's been a long time since I've seen the video and don't really want to watch it again, so I can't remember which actually happened. He was in a defensible position if he had just kept his door locked and could have easily driven away slowly to safety. There is an effect called the Normalcy Bias, wherein a state of denial sets in and you convince yourself this can not really be happening to me. I think that may have been at play. The most glaring historical example usually given to illustrate the Normalcy Bias is during Nazi Germany when the Jews were being loaded onto railroad cars destined for concentration camps, the reason they didn't put up any resistance is because they were convinced (by themselves or the Germans) that it was only a short trip and everything would return to normal within a few days.
 
Xfuzz said:
Current day possible incident.

Whatever reason, you had to go the a mid size or large city.
Wrong turn maybe, or you find yourself in a
sudden confrontation with a large protest group that have
managed to stop traffic on a main roadway.

Your blocked in.

The car in front of you is being attacked....windows broken
large crowd rocking the vehicle.
The driver in the vehicle to your front right is being dragged from
her truck.
Your rear window shatters...


Your armed.......
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Doesn't change.
Avoid
Evade
Escape
Defend
 
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When the guy in Albuquerque got tired of getting whomped with a skateboard and drew and fired, the "peaceful protesters" scattered like cockroaches. Even the one that was hit. As suggested earlier, a round or two into the ground might buy enough time to get away. Just be sure you have plenty of ammo.
 
Well obviously I would let them kill me without putting up a fight. I'd much rather be savagely bludgeoned to death by honorless thugs than ever face the courtroom boogeymen or end up in prison. I mean, let's face it, with my long flowing locks, chiseled jawline, and deep blue eyes, I'd immediately become the object of desire amongst the entire cellblock.
I mean, I only bought a gun as a sort of good luck charm in hopes that simply carrying it would ward off all evil. Most folks would carry a crucifix or rosary beads or something, but I don't have the guts to stand before an earthly judge, much less a heavenly judge.

Seriously though, I'm of the sort who'd rather go down fighting, protecting those I love to the best of my abilities and striking down as many villains I could in the process. If I should survive and have to face a bunch of greasy lawyers, then I'll accept full responsibilies for my actions, make my case, and should the law be against me, then so be it. It beats dying the disgraceful death of a coward along with all those who were counting on me.

I decided long ago that I would be the survivor and never the victim. I've seen too much evil, too much injustice, too many otherwise good people who didn't get involved because they were afraid of the consequences, and spent too much time bound by fear and despair, only to realize that when measured against everything that I had faced up to that point, especially my own demons, the fear of imprisonment or death paled in comparison. I was already a prisoner of fear and doubt. I've also already faced death, and did it with a smile on my face.

So yeah, I'd do everything in my power to avoid trouble, to stay safe, to be a just, honorable, and gentle man, but if it all comes down to allowing myself and others around me to be victimized by cowardly scum who prey on innocent people, then screw it, like hell am I just going to lay down and take it. If they want a riot, if they want blood, if they want fire and destruction, then they will have it.
 
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Having been brought up in a state that doesn't trust it's residents, or grants them the constitutional right to self-defense, makes one leery of discussing how you'd react in such and such a situation. It is not all that uncommon here in the SSRNJ to see prosecutors build a case of premeditation against someone that had something at hand in the event of a threat against your person. As a result, you learn to not talk about what you plan to do.
 
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