Zeroing rifle

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Another noobie question.I have seen two different ways to zero.First take your first shot aiming at the center of the target then move reticule to that shot,second take a shot with the center at the target then move the reticule to the center of the target,thanks for the help
 
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You can use either method but using the center of the target is easier for me. Start out up close at 25 yards or so and bore sight the scope to the barrel before you start shooting for easier zeroing
 
Strange,looking at you tube,where I got these two examples,the guy that said adjust reticule to shot said if you did it the other way you were doing it wrong,said that was the biggest mistake people make when zeroing
 
If you've got the rifle in a secure device that will not move while adjusting the scope, yes. You can simply fire a shot and adjust the reticle with the windage and elevation adjustments to where the bullet strikes the target.

Most guys don't have such contraptions. So... they aim at a specific point (bullseye) and fire. The distance from point of aim (bullseye) to where the bullet strikes is then adjusted on the scope with the elevation and windage adjustments.

The elevation and windage adjustments on the Spitfire are shown to be .5moa. That means for every click at 100yds the scope will adjust point of aim .5 inches. At 50 yards the adjustment would be .25 inch. At 25 yards .125 inch. If it was at 200 yards it would be 1 inch. Simple math.

Zeroing a scope is easy. Toss the gun atop a range bag or whatever ya got to hold relatively steady. Keep your target close for the first shot (10yds) so you're assured a strike. Adjust windage accordingly. Leave the elevation about 2 inches low at this short distance. You can then move the target further out and be assured a strike. Fine tune your zero at 50yds or 100yds or whatever you like to accommodate the distances you'll be shooting most often.
 
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Strange,looking at you tube,where I got these two examples,the guy that said adjust reticule to shot said if you did it the other way you were doing it wrong,said that was the biggest mistake people make when zeroing

He's right. If you can clamp the rifle, you can adjust the scope to your tiny 3-shot group you shot using the target center as the aiming point for the shots and the starting point when clamping the rifle before moving the sights.


The more common way uses a little math and does not involve clamping the rifle. At 25yd (so you are sure to be on paper) shoot a tiny 3-shot group. If you can't shoot a group, get someone else to zero it for you.
Now measure the distance you want to move the impact on the target. If you are 3" right of POA and 2" low, you want to go 3" LEFT and 2" UP. If your scope is one click for 1" at 100yd, for this 25yd distance, multiply by 4, which gives you 12 clicks LEFT and 8 clicks UP.
Reshoot to check.
Now move to your desired long range and check zero.
Use a trajectory calculator to pick an intelligent zero for your purpose.
Handloads.Com Ballistic Calculator
 
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I am leery of anyone that says "do it this way, any other way is wrong". Rarely is there only one way to do something.
As said above, if you don't have the equipment/ability to hold the rifle completely in place with the first shot, you won't be able to do it the first way. I don't have the equipment for that, so I use the other suggestions.
 
Strange,looking at you tube,where I got these two examples,the guy that said adjust reticule to shot said if you did it the other way you were doing it wrong,said that was the biggest mistake people make when zeroing

Well... If using a mechanical device to hold the rifle when shooting that takes shooter error out the equation. And if a mechanical device is used to hold the rifle when adjusting the scope that takes guesswork out of the equation for a lot of guys who don't comprehend or haven't taken the time to learn how their scope works and simple math. So for some guys they may see it as the only way to go.

I've seen guys just crank on adjustment turrets to see which direction it would go and how much. Up/Down Left/Right? MOA? Huh? Just spin the turret and see what happens. This usually results in a lot of aggravation and ammo sent down range for nothing.

At first it may seem complicated, but just a few minutes with your optic understanding how it works along with some tips here will go a long way to a quick and easy zero of your new optic.
 
We had a very simple way to zero in the Corps. Firing from the ultra stable prone position we aimed at the center of the target. Fired one shot which was marked so we could see where it hit. Adjusted elevation ans shot again. Based upon the marker made nothe adjustment for elevation. Then did the same routine for windage. Once each was fine tuned over two to four shots for each setting we shot a series of rounds to determine effectiveness, and made adjustments if necessary, which was rare except on a sporadic windy day. Generally took six to ten shots to be zeroed in.
 
Every year around hunting season my friends and neighbors used to come over to my range to sight in their rifles. I had a 100 yard target 36"X36". Lined in inch squares. I had a red dot in the center. I would remove the bolt give it a look see down the barrel to see if the bore and the scope were close. I would take a shot after any initial adjustment. Than walk out and measure the elevation and windage. I then adjusted the sights as per the scope click value. Usually only took 3 shots to sight in. I hated the 338 win mags, 300 win mags and the 7mm mags, they rattled my teeth.
 
My $.02:

First, you want to adjust the optic based on where you KNOW the gun is shooting. If you have a physical support that will hold the gun then 1 shot should give you a pretty confident feel about where the gun is shooting. But if you're shooting it yourself off a bag or something, one shot is not a reliable enough determiner of where the gun is shooting. Three shots minimum, IMHO, and 5 is preferable. The center of that group (ignoring any obvious flyer/mistake shots) is where I consider the gun to be shooting. If you adjust your optic based on one shot shooting off a bag, I've found, it becomes a long and frustrating day. You're sort of chasing each shot around the target. One data point does not make a pattern, as they say.

I then adjust the optic thinking in terms of moving the group. As a previous poster said - if you need to move the group x" UP/DOWN, and/or y" LEFT/RIGHT, the scopes I've used are marked precisely for that. Where I aim is always constant - at the bullseye. I adjust the optic to have the group be where I want it to be.

Another responder went through the math of how much to move it based on how far away the target is. Moving the group n" at close distance will take more clicks than moving it n" at a longer distance. Most scopes I've seen have one click to move point of impact 1/4" at 100 yds.

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Boy,you guys have a lot of good advice,gonna take my Sport out next week will let y'all know what happens,thanks
 
Ryan Cleckner has some excellent videos on Youtube, do a search using his name. The first two I'd recommend are "Understanding Minute of Angle" and "Rifle Sight-in Process"
 
We had a very simple way to zero in the Corps. Firing from the ultra stable prone position we aimed at the center of the target. Fired one shot which was marked so we could see where it hit. Adjusted elevation ans shot again. Based upon the marker made nothe adjustment for elevation. Then did the same routine for windage. Once each was fine tuned over two to four shots for each setting we shot a series of rounds to determine effectiveness, and made adjustments if necessary, which was rare except on a sporadic windy day. Generally took six to ten shots to be zeroed in.

If you can shoot well in the prone position, this is a good way to zero. I zero 2" high at 100 yards using a benchrest, which puts bullet impact right on at 200 yards. I use mostly 65-69 grain bullets. Lighter or heavier bullets may have different points of impact.

However, if I shoot offhand after zeroing, bullet impact is usually about 2" low at 100 yards and 4" low at 200. Best to zero for the position you will use most. May make little difference for some people and a significant difference for others. Shoot enough groups to verify.
 
A few thoughts:

1) The "move the reticle to the bullet hole" method works fine as long as you have a front rest or a bipod, and a rear bag. After the rifles recoils, you still have your original point of aim, so just realign the rifle so that it sits unassisted with the reticle resting on the point of aim again, then carefully make the reticle adjustments without disturbing the rifle.

I did this for an Asian gentleman at the range a few weeks ago who was really struggling to get the rifle zeroed. Turns out he had a lot of experience shooting in South Vietnam, but never with a scope. After 40 plus years he wanted to get back into shooting again.

2) Some folks get really confused about which way to adjust the windage and elevation on a scope and they end up having to look at the little arrow on the turret. There's no need for that. Instead just use the "right hand rule". Extend your thumb on your right hand and curl your fingers. Point our thumb in the direction you want the point of impact to move (up or down, or left or right) and then turn the turret the same way your fingers are curled.

The exception is if you have a scope made in the former Soviet Block - the adjustments work in the other direction on those so, you'll need to use the "left hand rule". That's really handy if you don't know the Cyrillic letters on the turrets.

The same left hand rule also works for metallic aperture sights.

3) What distance to zero a rifle at depends on a few things.

a) If you are using a BDC reticle, or have MOA or MIL dot target or tactical turrets and plan on making adjustments in the field, then you want a 100 yard zero. You'll then adjust up from that 100 yard basic zero.

b) For most hunting purposes, with high velocity rifle cartridges, it makes sense to zero for what ever range give you your maximum point blank range. For medium sized game that is normally defined as the range where the bullet does not rise or fall more than 5" above or below the line of sight. For varmint or small game hunting, it's reduced to +/- 3".

For a 55 gr FMJ with a 2.9" high mounted scope on a 20" AR with an MV or around 3240 fps, the 5" PBR zero range is 318 yards, and will leave you 5" high at 200 yards and 5" low at 367 yards. If you don't have access to a 300+ yard range, you can zero it 3.1" high at 100 yards.

The 3" PBR for the same load is 270 yards, or 2" high at 100 yards. That zero will leave you 3" high at 170 yards and 3" low at 310 yards.

For a .308 with a 165 gr Game King at 2700 fps and a more normal bolt action scoped rifle sight height of 2", the 5" PBR zero range is 280 yds, leaving you 4.1" high at 100 yards, 5" high at 160 yards and 5" low at 325 yards. With a 150 gr bullet at 2800 fps, the PBR zero is 285 yards - 3.9" high at 100, 5" high at 160, and 5" low at 335 yards.

c) Many hunters zero so that they are 4" high at 100 yards. Obviously that works for the .308 with both 150 and 165 gr bullets, and in fact it actually works pretty well for a number of non-magnum high velocity rifle loads (.270, .280, .30-06, etc), so if you're in doubt about the ballistics, just sight in 4" high at 100 yards and limit the range to around 325 yards.

If you're shooting a iron sighted 30-30, sight in 5" high at 100 yards and limit your range to 250 yards.

The 8" bull on the standard 100 yard small bore rifle target is ideal for the 4" high at 100 yards method as you can hold on the bottom of the bull and zero so you are hitting in the X ring.

It also works well with an iron sighted 30-30 as well, you just shoot with the front blade at the 6 o'clock position on the bull, and put the center of the group about 1" above the X on the target.

4) Assuming you will not be adjusting the elevation on the scope, and you will be shooting beyond the point blank range of the rifle, generally speaking you'll want to zero at about 85% of the maximum range you plan to shoot. That's an artifact of how the trajectory works, with the bullet dropping very quickly once you've passed your zero range.

For example if I am shooting a .308 168 gr SMK at 2700 fps, and I want to shoot out to around 500 yards, I'm going to want to zero at around 425 yards. This will leave me 5" low at about 450 yards and a still manageable 14" low at 500 yards, and about 27" low at 550 yards (call it a foot low and two feet low respectively on a deer or antelope sized critter and you're good to go).

The mid range trajectory is also about 14" high at 225 yards, and that's a reasonable amount of hold under for closer shots that might pop up. In fact I can hold a foot low anywhere from 150 yards to 350 yards and get a solid hit in the vitals with that 425 yard zero.

5) You can also establish a basic zero based on the minimum distance you plan to shoot. Again way back in the day when the .308 was used for sniping out to 800 yards, the minimum range was considered to be about 500 yards. Shorter ranges increased the chances of being detected, without significantly increasing the probability of a first round hit, for a well trained sniper. So the basic zero was 500 yards and the sniper adjusted the hold up from there.

6) It's common to zero at 25 or 50 yards, particularly if all you have are indoor ranges with those maximum distances. If you have a ballistics program and you properly enter sight height, muzzle velocity and BC, you can get fairly good data. But...the problem is that a small error at 25 yards/meters becomes a very large error at 300-400 yards/meters - by a factor of 8.

Thus if you establish a "zero" at 25 yards or 50 yards, you need to verify that zero at 100 yards or more before you actually take your rifle in the field. You'll almost always find you make an adjustment to correct it. You'll also find differences due to change in temperature and elevation, and if you flew, you'll discover the airline often isn't kind to your rifle and scope and the reticle can be jarred off target.

7) As noted in the post directly above, positon can and often does make a difference in zero. Ideally, in the field most people shoot prone, or even better off a bipod, and zeroing prone or prone using a bipod is thus the preferred method to zero. A shooter's eye is farther back from the scope when shooting from a bench compared to prone, and if the scope isn't mounted so your eye is centered on the optical axis, and you are shooting well away from the 150 yard parallax ranges most scopes intended for high power rifles are set at, you'll get parallax error.

The rifle also recoils differently in different positions, which affects the angle of departure, and thus the point of impact. When I shot service rifle with M14s and M1As, I had separate sight settings for prone, sitting, and offhand positions and had the change from the basic (prone) zero, written on the sling for the other two positions. I do the same thing now shooting 3 position small bore.
 
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I'm one that believes in shooting at the center of the target and then adjusting the reticle until the POI coincide with POA. Most of us don't get anywhere as much trigger time as we want, so any excuse to send more lead downrange without just making noise is acceptable.

One shot and then adjusting the reticle to the bullet hole; what fun is that? Besides, unless you shoot a minimum of three shots the point of impact is in question due to statistical variation.
 
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