Navy Seals use of Model 66s or 686s?
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squidsix
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True, and still strue today. A good friend has an "ONI" rollmarked model 19-2, round butt, four inch barrel, and yellow front sight insert. He's an NCIS agent, and carries this every day. He gets 2 cans of the "FBI" load ever quarter to train.
reitejl
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Seal team revolvers
I'm using Facebook messaging with a my sons best buddy who is a Seal in the middle east somewhere and they carry Sig 226's or 228's.
I'm using Facebook messaging with a my sons best buddy who is a Seal in the middle east somewhere and they carry Sig 226's or 228's.
shadowrider
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I'm curious as to what lube the SEALs use for small arms.
riverrat38
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"I'm curious as to what lube the SEALs use for small arms."
salmon oil!
salmon oil!
My brother is a retired Seal Master Chief and noted that they train with 686's (66's in the past) as well as semi autos and they can choose both but most go for semi autos because of capacity fire power dosent count for much in close quarters (1 in the head 1 in the chest) with hours and thousands of training rounds. Also 9mm is readily available in most of our enimies countries.
texagun
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I just finished reading "American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History" by Chris Kyle, a former Navy Seal with 160 confirmed kills. He spent 3 tours in Iraq and was active in all the major campaigns. He goes into great detail about the firearms the Navy Seals currently use. Their issued small arm is the Sig P-226 in 9 mm. His opinion from his battle ground experiences is that the 9 mm. round is essentially ineffective against drug-laced insurgents. They would take several hits without going down. He bought a Springfield Operator in .45 ACP that he used with much greater effectiveness, and eventually replaced that gun with a Sig P220 in .45 ACP which he used with great effect. He made no mention of ever using a wheel gun as a Navy Seal.
Revolvers, I dont care if stainless or not I dont think would hold up long term in any sort of salt water environment. (no firearm would)
The chrome lined bore of the barrel sure wouldnt like it
Above that, inside the action, the rebound slide spring, cylinder stop spring and cylinder release bolt spring and sear and hand spring would be the first to go. Especially the later two.
The rebound slide itself, trigger and hammer on earlier 66's and 686's re chromed, so they might be ok for a while.
Wonder what the procedure was to de-salt the revolvers were? I would bet the armor would at minimum do a full disassembly and after thoroughly rinsing all of the parts individually, soak them in deionized water for a period of time, then fully clean and oil with something like hoppes or CLP, followed by reassembly with a replacement of all springs.
The chrome lined bore of the barrel sure wouldnt like it
Above that, inside the action, the rebound slide spring, cylinder stop spring and cylinder release bolt spring and sear and hand spring would be the first to go. Especially the later two.
The rebound slide itself, trigger and hammer on earlier 66's and 686's re chromed, so they might be ok for a while.
Wonder what the procedure was to de-salt the revolvers were? I would bet the armor would at minimum do a full disassembly and after thoroughly rinsing all of the parts individually, soak them in deionized water for a period of time, then fully clean and oil with something like hoppes or CLP, followed by reassembly with a replacement of all springs.
You could check out a 66 around mid 70's. I will try to find an old photo. PS. After 1973 it was about MP5's.
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To set the record straight, the Teams did in fact use the 686. I was both a west and east coast Team guy from 1989 to 2015. The 686 was used when diving due to it's stainless steel construction. We also had Sig 226's which we used when we expected more intense gunfights. I also carried the 686 in a shoulder rig when in the jungle for the same reason. Unless you were constantly cleaning it, the Sig would rapidly develop surface rust on the slide. The 686 would go a week in the bush and simply need a quick wipe down to be GTG.
As for ammo, the supply system had .38 Special, but the local gun store always had .357. Worth the cost out of pocket to get the most out of the 18 rounds I carried.
As for semi-auto vs. revolver firepower, my use of the 686 was a first line backup when the SHTF and my M4/203 was out of commission. Intent was to shoot the bad guy then pick up his AK.
To set the record straight, the Teams did in fact use the 686. I was both a west and east coast Team guy from 1989 to 2015. The 686 was used when diving due to it's stainless steel construction. We also had Sig 226's which we used when we expected more intense gunfights. I also carried the 686 in a shoulder rig when in the jungle for the same reason. Unless you were constantly cleaning it, the Sig would rapidly develop surface rust on the slide. The 686 would go a week in the bush and simply need a quick wipe down to be GTG.
As for ammo, the supply system had .38 Special, but the local gun store always had .357. Worth the cost out of pocket to get the most out of the 18 rounds I carried.
As for semi-auto vs. revolver firepower, my use of the 686 was a first line backup when the SHTF and my M4/203 was out of commission. Intent was to shoot the bad guy then pick up his AK.
texagun
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mayo258,
Welcome to the forum. Very interesting 1st post. So you were "both a west and east coast Team guy from 1989 to 2015."? Under Military Status on your profile it shows "none". After 26 years as a "team guy" you might want to update it. Looking forward to more posts from someone with your experience.
Welcome to the forum. Very interesting 1st post. So you were "both a west and east coast Team guy from 1989 to 2015."? Under Military Status on your profile it shows "none". After 26 years as a "team guy" you might want to update it. Looking forward to more posts from someone with your experience.
Pa.Bill
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List never ends.
What ever they are connected to sells out in a day and when they put the Anchor on the Sig that hit an all time high.
They use everything/anything that works.
They used Glocks before they became popular. But Glocks brakes one of the general rulings, no external hammer.
The US Military changing sidearm- I don't know who controlled
it but they F$%^&* it all up for 5 to 7 years.
From all the rumors out there the S&W was the only one I have not heard.
The last Official List - US Changing sidearm: Sig 227, H&K Tactical 45,
Fn 45 Tactical and a few others.
Revolvers as a general sidearm is surprising. The only reason I remember, less sound in tight places.
One thing is for sure- the day they go to a knew sidearm, the market will flood out with used 92's.
What ever they are connected to sells out in a day and when they put the Anchor on the Sig that hit an all time high.
They use everything/anything that works.
They used Glocks before they became popular. But Glocks brakes one of the general rulings, no external hammer.
The US Military changing sidearm- I don't know who controlled
it but they F$%^&* it all up for 5 to 7 years.
From all the rumors out there the S&W was the only one I have not heard.
The last Official List - US Changing sidearm: Sig 227, H&K Tactical 45,
Fn 45 Tactical and a few others.
Revolvers as a general sidearm is surprising. The only reason I remember, less sound in tight places.
One thing is for sure- the day they go to a knew sidearm, the market will flood out with used 92's.
Pa.Bill
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38 +P's are very good and mostly forgotten when 9 mm became popular.
357 I have been shooting since 1974.
Very powerful and most can't handle it.
But with a little practices, 100 yard shoots are much easier
then most would think. We have been doing this 100, 75, 50 yards since the 1970's. ( S&W Combat 19/38-357/ 6"barrel.. Also XL Hunter 38-357/ 6"barrel/Scoped........... the 19 is more accurate then the Hunter. Even if its 40 + years older)
357 I have been shooting since 1974.
Very powerful and most can't handle it.
But with a little practices, 100 yard shoots are much easier
then most would think. We have been doing this 100, 75, 50 yards since the 1970's. ( S&W Combat 19/38-357/ 6"barrel.. Also XL Hunter 38-357/ 6"barrel/Scoped........... the 19 is more accurate then the Hunter. Even if its 40 + years older)
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BigCleo, that is exactly the way my Sig 228 is equipped. The dot rear sight lives in the box. I was a pioneer at TXDPS, in scheduled night time firearms training. My troopers at first thought I was crazy, but we soon learned that a lot of available light existed, even on moonless nights. They
soon got the hang of it and if they could see it, they could hit it. Amazingly, we realized that the glow from even small west Texas towns reached for a few miles. And sure, we worked on flashlight use at times. It doesn't have to be mounted to a gun to be useful. For sure, lights are so much better than they were in the early '70 that there is no real comparison. Again, the front sight is the key.
Jack
soon got the hang of it and if they could see it, they could hit it. Amazingly, we realized that the glow from even small west Texas towns reached for a few miles. And sure, we worked on flashlight use at times. It doesn't have to be mounted to a gun to be useful. For sure, lights are so much better than they were in the early '70 that there is no real comparison. Again, the front sight is the key.
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