New non-NFA rapid-fire trigger

sithlord · Nov 15, 2013

This was originally posted in the M&P 15 channel. Assuming that the blowback of the 15-22 was sufficient, is there any reason this would not work as an alternative to a slide-fire?

The costs are probably similar (the website does not provide a price yet) maybe even less than the slide fire + trigger combo.

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Ibmikey · Nov 15, 2013

Have you priced ammo lately? Probably will have BATF decision rather quickly, actually the Army recruiter will provide one with the opportunity to shoot full auto in far away and exotic places

Wolfman-Iraq · Nov 15, 2013

Ibmikey said:
Have you priced ammo lately? Probably will have BATF decision rather quickly, actually the Army recruiter will provide one with the opportunity to shoot full auto in far away and exotic places

And all the free ammo you want.........

straightshooter47 · Nov 15, 2013

Di-Fi and shumer are going to be passing bricks when they find out about this...

yugowego · Nov 15, 2013

there is a thread on AR15dotcom about it. they said it will be in the $500 range for the unit.

sithlord · Nov 15, 2013

Ibmikey said:
Have you priced ammo lately?

Irrelevant. I'm asking whether folks think this trigger would work in the 15-22, specifically as an alternative to the slide-fire.

Ibmikey said:
Probably will have BATF decision rather quickly

They already do. Their website indicates that it BAFTE compliant and a non-NFA item.

Enjoy your foreign deployments. Be safe.......

sithlord · Nov 15, 2013

yugowego said:
there is a thread on AR15dotcom about it. they said it will be in the $500 range for the unit.

If so, that's in-line with the slidefire stock and recommended trigger.

telero · Nov 15, 2013

yugowego said:
there is a thread on AR15dotcom about it. they said it will be in the $500 range for the unit.

sithlord said:
If so, that's in-line with the slidefire stock and recommended trigger.

At that price, if it works with the 15-22, it's pretty much the same price as the slidefire/trigger pack/recoil enhancer. Totally worth it to not have to use that crappy slidefire stock and have it be ambidextrous. If it works...

Brett248Vista · Nov 15, 2013

If this is indeed BATFE approved like they claim.. I will have one of these, I don't care if it's $500.. This is an elegant solution.

97catintenn · Nov 15, 2013

How does it work?

It looks and sounds like a slow cycle rate compared to the slide fire setup....but more control of your poi.

shawnr5 · Nov 15, 2013

They would have to offer a 15-22 specific model. Our receiver is wider than a standard AR receiver and the selector wouldn't quite fit. If it is an approved item, I'll take one.

cajunfirehawk · Nov 16, 2013

shawnr5 said:
They would have to offer a 15-22 specific model. Our receiver is wider than a standard AR receiver and the selector wouldn't quite fit. If it is an approved item, I'll take one.

Um, looks like every other AR trigger setup that also works in my MP 15-22? Selector I cannot answer...

Orgone1 · Nov 16, 2013

Slooooooooow. Very slow rate of fire. I get 600+/Minute with a slidefire. Slidefire makes a .223 rifle sing

Perhaps adding the Recoil Rail would help ?

Rundover · Nov 16, 2013

There is another lever behind the disconnector. This lever looks like when activated that it restricts the disconnector from a very positive lock up to something less which would be released by recoil. If this is the case than I doubt this would work in the 15-22 which has much less recoil.
Of course I would be willing to test that theory just to be sure.

Rundover · Nov 16, 2013

A second look at the trigger leads me to believe that the additional lever has a part that sticks up quite high. I think it is the mass of this lever at a high point above the pivot point that releases the disconnector. When recoiling the mass wants to move in the opposite direction but is restricted. When the bolt returns and locks up another round there is another, smaller recoil in the opposite direction which is enough for the mass at the top of the lever to move releasing the disconnector and would be the reason for the slow rate of fire.

sithlord · Nov 16, 2013

I contacted the company and they are currently working on patents, ATF approval, etc. They are aware of the potential market for 15-22 (and to a much larger extent, the 10/22), however, appear to be focusing on the -15 and AK markets for the time being.

They agreed that the blow-back nature of the 15-22 may not provide sufficient recoil.

However, I asked about beta-testing... They said that they are near Phoenix (I am not), that you might be able to drop by with your gun. If you're in the area, you might drop them a line first...

Also, related to the 'slow rate of fire'... I agree with Brett - it's a more elegant design than the slide-fire, and allows you to use other furniture (stock, grip). 7-10 rounds per second is slower than a slide-fire to be sure, but not a 'slow rate of fire' IMHO. As others have said, a go-to-war rifle issued by the DoD has a much faster rate of fire with free ammo.

Still very intriguing..

RED ZMAN · Feb 26, 2014

I've been trying to post a new thread about this for weeks, but for some reason, can't post new threads.

I emailed Tac Con now that the triggers are shipping, below is the new thread I've tried to post for a couple of weeks.

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Anyways, they are shipping the triggers now. I'm considering getting one for my M4, but thought I'd contact them about the M&P 15-22.

I emailed them...

Message : Hello, love your work here, what a great idea. Do you know if this trigger group will work in a S&W M&P 15-22? A lot of folks are interested along with me at this possible avenue of making our rifles more fun.

Here's their reply.

No the lower is wider than an AR15.

Thank you for your interest in the Tac-ConTM 3MR trigger.
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Customer Service
Tac-Con™

I thought we could use these slide in trigger groups?

For those that missed this previously...

https://tacfirecon.com/

Tac-Con? 3MR Trigger System - YouTube

SimpleWeaponSolutions · Feb 26, 2014

The FCG would probably fit in the 15-22 lower, but it also requires the use of their proprietary safety selector, which most likely does not work in the 15-22 lower receiver.

For me, if I were to go for a trigger that "increased" my rate of fire, I would go with a Geissele S3G.

Here is a video of it in action.
GEISSELE Super Dynamic 3 Gun trigger, no gimmicks. - YouTube

Or if you send enough time and learn how to ride the reset you can really let loose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_G7xNhpEkE

RED ZMAN · Feb 26, 2014

^^^
Very nice, never heard of that trigger before. That one I'd buy in a second if they make them again. Currently out of stock.

Tac Con 3MR positive reset trigger vs Geissele SD3G vs M16 full auto - YouTube
^^^
Comparison video of the 2 trigger sets. The Tac Con did poorly.

EDIT: Correction looks like that one is in stock in many places. $250 isn't a bad price at all. Thank you!

robkarrob · Mar 2, 2014

Don't waste your money. There are many reviews on this trigger and the general consensus is that it does not work. Many of the reviews are videos, and no one can get more than two or three shots and it stops. All were testing on AR15s'. One guy compared it to a real full auto gun, a Geissele trigger, and the Tac Con trigger.

Full auto was rapid fast. The Geissele trigger was slower, but close to full auto, considering the trigger was manually pulled for each firing. The Tac Con was poor, and not fast at all. All the testers said that they spent several hours using the Tac Con and could not get the trigger to run bursts, but thought with many hours of more testing, that it might do better, but consistency would always be an issue. They all said you won't likely install the trigger and get results right away, if ever. And forget about using it on a 22LR, as with the low recoil the design would never work.

I have a SlideFire stock, cheaper and very reliable. I can empty a 30 round AR mag in three seconds, and about the same time for the 25 round 15-22 mag. A switch of the SlideFire between different rifles takes under five minutes. Just remove the stock, unscrew the SlideFire grip, and install on another AR style rifle. I can easily control short bursts of 3 to 4 rounds, depending on my finger or forward push of the handguard.

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