SCOTUS Rules 'Ghost Guns' are Illegal

[venomballistics]

Originally Posted by rosewood

I have a question about Ghost guns. Exactly how does a ghost hold a gun? I mean, can they handle solid objects? Why are ghost restricted from owning guns, I mean, are they now part of the forbidden class?

Rosewood

I think they need to gain spiritual strength first... Some say this can come from kneeling in spooky pews

[Beemerguy53]

Originally Posted by rosewood

They sure did. Black Powder Muzzle loaders were the assault weapons of the day. They were "weapons of war".

I believe the point was, we didn't need serial numbers back then (not required by Constitution), so we don't need them now.

Rosewood

I know what the poster's point was. My point was that our adversaries argue -- ad nauseum -- that the 2nd Amendment should apply only to the firearms technology that was available when it was written. Even when I point out that the SCOTUS shot down that argument in Heller, they continue to cling to it.

Principles matter. We can't argue that serial numbers shouldn't be required because they didn't exist when 2A was written, and then turn around and say that our ARs are protected under 2A. I don't want to get bludgeoned with my own argument...

[biku324]

And none of this directly implicates a militia. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...".

[rosewood]

Originally Posted by Beemerguy53

I know what the poster's point was. My point was that our adversaries argue -- ad nauseum -- that the 2nd Amendment should apply only to the firearms technology that was available when it was written. Even when I point out that the SCOTUS shot down that argument in Heller, they continue to cling to it.

Principles matter. We can't argue that serial numbers shouldn't be required because they didn't exist when 2A was written, and then turn around and say that our ARs are protected under 2A. I don't want to get bludgeoned with my own argument...

I think we can, because the 2nd Amendment (and entire Constitution) is a restriction on Government overreach. It guarantees the Government doesn't take away right, not give us rights.

[murphydog]

Originally Posted by TJm15.38

I read the article in American Rifleman about the new Ruger RXM. It indicated that the only serialized part is the fire control group. Is the trigger assembly going to be regarded as a "firearm" by the ATF? This differs greatly from the Glocks I own, as every frame, slide and barrel has matching serial numbers.

It is exactly that.

[rosewood]

The Sig P365 serialized part is the trigger group, so is the Taurus GX4. You can swap out frames (grip modules) on both of them to any size you want (that is available).

Rosewood

[venomballistics]

Originally Posted by biku324

I'd mildly suggest that 'ghost guns' were illegal when the case went to SCOTUS; after they ruled, ghost guns are still illegal but with finality.

How many devils can dance on the head of a pin?

I'd attempt to articulate an argument as to how misinformed this is, but it turns out I don't have to. The BATF already laid this out for me.
Privately Made Firearms | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

That said ... Bambu Labs PETG CF is a wonderful carbon fiber reinforced filament if one wishes to print a hoffman tactical AR 15 lower, or tackle the orca project. It also makes a fine glock frame.
they are legal to make and own for as long as you do not sell them, or reside in a jurisdiction that fell for the latest anti gun idiocy. at least not without going through the process of getting it serialized. At this point it's fully transferable.
The mole hill being made into a blatantly misrepresented mountain is within the case of 80% lower's and frames. these are often sold with router/ drill jigs to facilitate the completion of these products.
It's similar to the prepared mixture products of the prohibition era that warned you not to add yeast.
an "80" is an almost but not quite frame being sold like tomatoes.
it's not illegal, even post ruling. it simply needs to go through an FFL transfer like every other frame or lower receiver

[steelslaver]

Originally Posted by Drm50

What does this do about pre 68 guns that were not serial numbered? Are these now illegal?

No they are not illegal. The GCA makes it illegal to manufacture them with out a serial number.

The full text of the law. Lot of misunderstandings from those who have never actually read the whole thing

The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618

[SMSgt]

Originally Posted by steelslaver

No they are not illegal. The GCA makes it illegal to manufacture them with out a serial number.

The full text of the law. Lot of misunderstandings from those who have never actually read the whole thing

The Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618

Including the BATF?