A strange thing happened today when I was buying ammo

.38SuperMan,

You are getting worked up over nothing. It sounds like you have not brought ammunition for a long time.

As previously comment rifle ammunition and pistol ammunition have different age requirements to be legally purchased. Cabelas and a Farm Store I buy a lot of ammunition from both have a computer program that requires numbers in the date of birth to be entered for the transaction to be completed. Getting all worked up and busting your chest buttons and giving the poor lady at the checkout a hard time isn’t going to change the fact that numbers for the date of birth and a telephone number have to be entered into the computer cash register.

On-line purchases of ammunition require d.o.b. and telephone number to be entered to complete the transaction.

I am not aware of any Federal or Kansas State Law that requires me to give a truthful answer for my d.o.b. and telephone number so I give one I make up.* I have not been asked for my telephone number but if so I would do the same thing. With the current ammunition shortage I certainly would not let that question stop me from buying ammunition.

Heck if you want to worry about your identity being collected don’t shop at a big store like Walmart. Not only do they know your personal information such as address, d.o.b., race, sex but they also have a photograph of you. Think about why they have cameras at every register.

*disclaimer - Other States have laws that require truthful answer to d.o.b. to buy ammunition. Kansas isn’t one of them.
 
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They might get a phone no. and other personal info but that doesn't necessarily mean it's mine. *s*
 
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I've got like 5 email addresses and a couple of phone numbers and I have no problem giving them to store clerks when I'm in a store that I like. If I get email that I don't want then I unsubscribe.

Let me think..........I do have a Texas driver's license, a Texas license to carry a handgun, I spent a couple of decades in the Navy Reserve, I worked for the FDIC for 13 years, I get 4 government checks a month presently, I have two ATF "registered"/taxed devices, I buy hunting licenses annually even if I don't get to hunt, I definitely have several bank accounts in two different banks, never mind a retirement account or two that you KNOW the Feds know about, I forget exactly how many credit cards I have, or how many loans and mortgages I have had, I have two registered motor vehicles with a Texas TollTag on each, I've been licensed to practice pharmacy in two states and law in five states, plus some Federal bar admissions, the Feds take care of my medical insurance completely as a Navy retiree, and nobody on the planet except my late, lamented parents and my liberal leaning twin brother have EVER, as in NEVER, NOT EVER, seen my Social Security card. So, except for the latter item which I have never shown to anyone but I have used that number countless times, why do I care who has my name in their database?

Seriously, how can I hide? So, you want my name and address (the address being of public record as well now that all of the real estate records are on line) and contact information? No problem.

Where do I sign? :D
 
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Ok I know a lot of information about each of us is public record but the thing that irritates me was the clerk wasn’t going to sell to me unless I gave the info despite the fact there are no laws either local, state or federal that requires that. It was simply none of their business.
 
It happens a lot and at most retailers now my forum friend. Different times. I have yet to have occasion where I tell them no thanks, they repeat it once, I say no thanks, they repeat it again, and I say no thanks, and the light bulb goes off and they just enter anything into it. I also tell them I do not have email; which gets some strange looks. :D

Recently bought a new vehicle. Wasn't sure what I wanted, didn't really like anything more than another; was really indifferent towards the process. I had a new (at the time, few years old when I got rid of it...4 years old?) GMC Sierra and it was OK.

I understand everyone is just doing the best they can, but I stopped into the Audi dealership as one possible choice. Sales rep. was very 'cheesy'. That is the technical term. ;) They of course want to be your best bud, grab a beer, and will promise the world. Ok, that's fine. I was just kinda browsing and the person asked me: my name, my occupation, budget, what I liked, how I spend my free time...I 'get it' that they are qualifying a sale and trying to establish rapport, but I was very upfront that my wife and I were just browsing as I hadn't seen new models in person. The sales rep. was persistent, which is good, but I reiterated that, really, I am just getting a sense of what I want, and they dived into the personal questions again and again... and so forth. I finally said 'time out', let's step back a moment. I am being upfront that I am just browsing and it is too early in the sales cycle to be 'best friends'. The reaction...well it was something. No issues the rest of the time. :) Also, it was a hard pass on the Audi.
 
In New Jersey you need a special I.D. Card to purchase ammo. To get the card you must submit references and fingerprints. Then when you go to the store in New Jersey they ask to see your card and record your name, address and I.D. number in a written book.

If you buy ammo online for shipment to your home, the sellers who want to comply with New Jersey law ask for you to send a copy of your I.D. card before they ship to your home. My Card is on file at several of the big online sellers and my purchases sail through.

There is talk in the Legislature of requiring online ammo purchases to be sent to a licensed ammo seller who will then transfer the ammo to you after seeing your I.D. card.

My local FFL said he will not become a drop box for ammo sales.

After reading the tea leaves I stocked up on all my ammo calibers in January/February of 2020, right before the Covid panic hit.
 
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I’m sure NJ law has stopped a lot of crime and enabled tracing bullets to the bad guy. What is in their m SS assuming they have minds. I’m so happ I don’t and never have lived in NJ.

I used to travel to Camden on business at RCA on the waterfront. It was obvious that NJ really had control our crime.

I’m gritting my teeth and rolling my eyes while writing.

Am I imagining that we used to have to sign and record our address when we bought ammo? Seems like it was a federal law struck down by Reagan.

I remember one legislator proposed potting serial numbers on every bullet and registering them when you buy ammo. They thought they could trace crimes back to the person that bought the ammo. Fortunately that didn’t go anywhere.

All of this registration does is fill wear houses with mile high stacks of paper.

Come to TN, were the most 2nd amendment friendly state in the US.
 
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In the mid-1970s in Arizona, my dad used to curse loudly when buying .22 LR ammo. Why? Because he had to show ID each time. It has long been a "policy" of some stores that customers need to show ID when buying ammo. Is it legal? Probably not. Can they get away with it? Yes, as long as Joe Citizen bends his knee and submits to quasi-Marxism.


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When asked for my phone, I just smile and politely say "I decline to provide that information."

Sometimes I get a a double take in response, but mostly the clerk will smile back and say "No problem."

And there is no problem.
 
It's not like they can't trace us if they want to. I mean, what if you pay with a card, any card?
 
BassPro always asks for a phone number. When I tell them I would rather not they say no problem and enter a 555 number for me. They must get a lot of people who refuse.

When Bass Pro asks for my phone number I just say “no thanks” and that’s the end of it.

I don’t like the way they ask though; they simply say “phone number” as if it’s a requirement to ring up the sale.
 
First of all; nothing is ever completely deleted from a computer short of throwing the computer into a cauldron of molten steel and this only applies to a stand alone computer.

A stores computer is networked to a server which backs up data onto storage media usually once every 24 hours. The storage media for any given day is removed and stored. So, if the media storage rotation is 30 days you data is now on 30 and it keeps repeating.
 
Seriously.....

What good is this information going to do for them or anybody. If the police come around and ask them 'who bought this ammunition?" they can tell them and even provide your home phone? It doesn't make a lick of sense, does it?
 
When the clerk ask for a telephone number tell them you are married and don't want them calling or tell them they are not your type and you don't want them calling. :D Larry
 
I’m sure NJ law has stopped a lot of crime and enabled tracing bullets to the bad guy. What is in their m SS assuming they have minds. I’m so happ I don’t and never have lived in NJ.

I used to travel to Camden on business at RCA on the waterfront. It was obvious that NJ really had control our crime.

I’m gritting my teeth and rolling my eyes while writing.

Am I imagining that we used to have to sign and record our address when we bought ammo? Seems like it was a federal law struck down by Reagan.

I remember one legislator proposed potting serial numbers on every bullet and registering them when you buy ammo. They thought they could trace crimes back to the person that bought the ammo. Fortunately that didn’t go anywhere.

All of this registration does is fill wear houses with mile high stacks of paper.

Come to TN, were the most 2nd amendment friendly state in the US.

I don't remember exactly when, but there was a time when all US dealers were required to record purchaser ID information for ammunition sales, then it was stopped. It may have been sometime during the Reagan administration. And there have been several attempts to enact legislation requiring serial number stamping of each and every bullet and also putting taggants into propellants. And you can bet that if there is a change in administration next year, such things (and maybe much worse things) will re-appear.
 
I don't remember exactly when, but there was a time when all US dealers were required to record purchaser ID information for ammunition sales, then it was stopped.
That was only for handgun ammo and it ended on May 19, 1986 with the Firearm Owner Protection act. Which lifted the ban on mail order ammo, repealed the record keeping requirements for handgun ammo, and banned private ownership of fully automatic guns made after that date.

I am old enough to remember having to show a drivers license when buying 9mm ammo. When buying 22s the local Walmart would ask if it was for a handgun or rifle. If you said rifle there was no need to show an ID.
 
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