What do you guys think of the new SIG pistols?
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Looks ok. Have to handle or shoot first.
One of the major problems with the SIG design has always been that the bore axis seems very high, to me. I do not see that the redesigned grip changes that.
The gun will feel different in one's hand, maybe better, to some, but that is about all. It looks like a half-hearted attempt to deal with the competition from the more modern designs with interchangeable backstraps, thereby hopefully creating a little (renewed) interest in the older design. JMHO.
The gun will feel different in one's hand, maybe better, to some, but that is about all. It looks like a half-hearted attempt to deal with the competition from the more modern designs with interchangeable backstraps, thereby hopefully creating a little (renewed) interest in the older design. JMHO.
Malysh
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You are correct in that the frame height and height of the slide is the same as any conventional SIG pistol. The pistol in the link is basically just pinched around the grip circumference.
I can't agree calling the high bore to hand axis with SIG pistols a major problem. Many people have no problem with that aspect of the design. A lower bore to hand axis theoretically makes for less muzzle flip than a semi auto pistol with a higher bore to hand ratio, but that's more of a talking point than something that really affects a shooter if they put the time in and practice.
Why would a high bore to hand axis bother folks who like to shoot K, L, and N frame revolvers? No SIG pistol made has ever had as high a bore to hand ratio as a large S&W revolver and the SIGs don't have muzzle flip that's any more pronounced than a large N frame. In fact the SIG pistols will have less muzzle flip than a large caliber/large frame revolver.
It's really just a matter of personal preference.
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Spotteddog
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I don't own either, but of all of the E/U imports name plates, only the German guns have ever felt good in the (my) hand? I've not been troubled by the Sig's high bore centerline. But perhaps I've not had enough experience with them to catch the subtle nuances? While the number of H/K products I've test driven hasn't been as numerous as the Sig's, I liked their products nearly as well as the Sig. I think some of it is like are you a "K" framer, or an "L" framer.
sipowicz
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SIG 220s are great shooting .45s and I would love to own one....it, along with the 226 and 229 are authorized for the LASD as duty weapons...but I stuck with my Beretta since I don't like the fact that the slide release on the SIG is behind the decocker, which is where the slide release is on my other autos.
Vegetaman
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SIG P220s are very nice. Would love to own one, someday.
Malysh
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I've got a P220 and a P228, both older German mfg. pistols. They are excellent. Per the O.P. by aterry33, as you probably know, SIG P226, P228, & P229 pistols can be somewhat thick around the grip area for some folks. The interchangeable grips for this model could help with that. They also offer short triggers which help for shooters that find the reach for the trigger too long. My HK USPs have a high bore to hand axis that is on par with the SIG pistols, but I find this not to be a problem shooting with either system.
Too low a bore to hand axis could be a problem, too. Many people have experienced slide bite from Walther PPK and TPH pistols. I've had them for over two decades and just recently cut myself for the first time on a PPK slide while making sure it was unloaded after removing it from the safe.
To me this is the far more serious design issue than the bore axis argurment, but I commented on that since it more directly concerned the re-shaped grip, in my mind.
The location of the slide stop on SIGs is a real problem for the hand adjusted to the 1911 & Browning HP, but I have been told by others that it is my thinking that is wrong, not the SIG designer's, since the SIG slide release is easier for most people to reach.
Observing officers during qualifications, I noticed that SIG 226/229 in .40 and many NEW .45's do jam sometimes. My early P228 and my P220 bought in 1994 NEVER had problems. The only one that I have never seen a problem with on the line, is the Beretta 92FS ( 9mm).
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