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357 SIG?
I have looking at the 357sig and thinking about picking up a gun to fire this round. I know Glock makes 357sigs and maybe Springfield. However I have owned both of those and did not like them. That leaves Sig and S&W M&P. Now I can find several Sigs but no M&P. I have read that S&W does or did make some 357sigs Could I be wrong about the M&Ps. Anyone know of any other choices out there. I have never fired the 357sig as all my guns now are 9mm or 45ACP A shield in 357sig would be great but Smith does not make one. So far the best choice is the 320 Sig carry.
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I have an older Sig compact model, just can't remember the model (maybe 228 or 229) When I bought it I bought 300 rounds of Winchester LEO only Ranger ammo (Black talon without the black).With that ammo it is absolutely the most accurate auto I have ever shot. Gold dot and other Winchester ammo, not so much, but I and another friend were getting clover sized groups at 50' indoors. I still have 3 boxes of that batch of ammo and 300 of a later batch. I have often wondered how many guns I sold off as inaccurate, when the ammo was not what the reputation was! I came across a batch of Speer LEO 45 ACP (40,000 rounds) That a Police Department had condemned their 4506's, but I found that the ammo wouldn't hit anything in any 45 I tried (1917, 625, 4-1911's & 3-Sig 220's) as well as 2 other testers in their 5 autos combined. So in this time of ammo crunch, watch out for lacking quality. Ivan
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02-04-2015, 06:33 PM
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I own and qualify with a SIG 239 in .357 auto. It is very whippy and barks very loud. It is however reputed to be an effective round though it has been involved in relatively few actual shootings. I have also heard of accuracy complaints.
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ZX has the M&P compact .357. They show 7 on hand.
You can also get a polymer framed Sig SP2022 in .357 for about $450
I have the 2022 in .40, and love it. Its not a light gun, but I think that is one of the reasons I like it so much, as it handles the .40 with ease. Also the only thing different between the two is the barrel, so I'm thinking about buying the .357 one and dropping it in and shooting both calibers out of the same gun.
ZX Gun | Smith & Wesson M&P .357 Sig Compact 10RD
sp2022 357 for sale
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02-05-2015, 08:31 AM
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My recommendation to you would be a SIG P229 in .357 SIG.
I have one, a CPO non rail version that is my EDC gun.
I bought it as a .40 S&W and added the .357 barrel when available directly from SIG.
The weight of the P229 reduces felt recoil considerably as far as the .357 SIG goes but, I never felt the .357 SIG felt recoil to be objectionable.
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02-05-2015, 09:30 AM
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Grover, I'm not sure where you are in MO. But the local gun store here in the town I live in had or still has an M&P40C in .357 Sig in stock.
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02-05-2015, 09:35 AM
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I got a used Sig 229 about 10 years ago ..... it came with both a .357sig and .40 barrels and 4mags......just so I'd have one gun in each caliber.......during the past two "panics" there was always .40 or .357 sig on the shelves.
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02-05-2015, 11:15 AM
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I have two Sig's that have the 40 S&W barrel and the 357 Sig barrel and they are a P226 and a Sig P239. The P226 being a full size reduces the felt recoil considerably on the 357 Sig round but both guns are accurate and not bad to shoot in terms of recoil. The 357 Sig round is louder at the range and for me it is more accurate then the 40 S&W round.
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For many the .357SIG is more accurate than the .40S&W. There are many reviews online, check it out.
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.357 sig is an outstanding round, both in accuracy, reliability and down range performance. I've got several guns for duty to include a P229, P239 and even a custom Nighthawk 1911 in .357sig.
As to the accuracy issue, early last year we identified a problem with several lots of Remington Golden Sabre, tested it in ransom rests through several pistol models and it was horrific. It was a consistency issue - 5-6 rounds all clustered up nicely and then a flyer that sometimes wouldn't even hit cardboard or hit the target holder itself. All of that ammo was gathered up and sent back to them for a refund. We are now running Speer for duty and it's been 100%. For practice, the Remington ball stuff is more economical.
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I had a Sig 229 in that chambering when they first came out in the 1990's. It was accurate and the cartridge was impressive but I didn't like the DA/SA trigger so it moved on. Now, I have a Glock 23 and have Storm Lake .357 Sig and Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrels for it. I believe Springfield made XD-357s but I think they stopped production of those. I find firing .357 Sig and .40 S&W similar with more blast from the .357.
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02-06-2015, 12:49 AM
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I have a Glock 31 & a Glock 32. I can highly recommend either one. There are some police trade in S&W M&Ps on an auction site as I write this. I believe they are approx. $350 and may come w/ extra mags. They were traded in by a sheriff's office in North Carolina.
I can't vouch for condition. But, you know it goes. Probably carried a lot & shot very little.
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I didn't notice anyone mentioning the HK P2000. My favorite in .357, with the LEM trigger. It is pricey, though, but not that much more than a Sig. Not that often seen in stock, either.
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03-03-2015, 10:31 PM
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I have all the Smiths made in 357sig - the M&P, M&Pc and Sigma! My favorite though is the Sig P229. I would love to try the P320!
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03-03-2015, 10:44 PM
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If you are a no go on Tupperware, the M&P was/is made in .357S since the NMSP were (are still?) using them. At least the barrels are out there. Sig Sauer makes .357 in dang near all their models: USSS, USFAM's, TXDPS been using .357 cal Sig pistols for years.
Also, EFK Fire Dragon makes .357S barrels for Berettas too if u want something with a hammer that isn't as $pendy as a Sig. Styer M's are also avail in .357 too (better than Glocks IMO).
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03-03-2015, 10:51 PM
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Many, many LEO agencies have issued it, including the Texas DPS, which I'm more familiar with. I can tell you that it's street reputation is fantastic; it's been very successful since adopted in 1998. Sadly, that agency is thinking of dumping it and joining the "Well the FBI said the 9mm was best so it must be" crowd and going to a tragically anemic 147 grain ice pick puncher. No common sense reason to. The .357Sig has shown to be a devastating man-stopper, especially when one has trained correctly with it and can put multiple rounds on target accurately and quickly. The 125 gr Gold Dot is the best of the breed, but surprisingly the Remington Golden Saber seems to be just right behind it, performance wise.
Personally, I'd stick with a Sig simply because they designed it and their guns are engineered to run it. Yes, a P229 (or even P239) is heavier than other pistols in the same class, but I doubt you'll notice that heft if the situation arises where you're forced to use it. Besides, that 'heft' actually helps tame it's snappiness a bit.
If a full size pistol is what you are going to carry, I'd strongly suggest a SigPro (SP2340 if you don't want a rail, SP2022 if you do), because it's just as reliable as the classic P series, is lighter, is nearly as accurate as a match gun, has a really nice trigger and...best of all...can be had brand new for about $400. You can do an easy drop-in switch of the .40 and .357 barrels if you want to, also.
Just my $0.02.
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My son's Glock 31 and my Glock 32.
My stolen Glock 31, recovered and residing in a property room of a police department of a neighboring county.
The .357 Sig is a wonderful cartridge. So far all I have done with mine is shoot 2 liter Sprite bottles at 100 yards and take it fishing.
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03-04-2015, 08:23 AM
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After seeing a few 9mm carbines lately, I wonder how a .357 Sig carbine would be? Should be some good velocities out of the longer barrel.
I have a couple of Glocks with the conversion barrels and recoil is no problem, even out of the G27. It will light the night, though.
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The H&K we shop just put up some conversion barrels for the p2000sk and also has some for the USP compact. That gives you that option as well as long as the supply is there. You can pick up an HK in .40 very reasonable priced and buy the barrel. Uses the same mags as well.
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Thanks for the info gentlemen. After some more thought I purchased aSig 320C in 357sig. When the cold weather and snow goes away around here I will get out and spend some time shooting it. So far I like the way it fits in my hand and the trigger is way better than any Glock that I have shot. Now if I can find a good price on ammo.
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Thanks for the info gentlemen. After some more thought I purchased aSig 320C in 357sig. When the cold weather and snow goes away around here I will get out and spend some time shooting it. So far I like the way it fits in my hand and the trigger is way better than any Glock that I have shot. Now if I can find a good price on ammo.
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Good luck with it. Should be fun.
You'll probably need more luck finding a good price on ammo.
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It's a shame ammo prices can dictate the choice of a round, but sadly they can.
In a perfect world, 10mm would be about $10 a box, but it isn't. And 357 Sig isn't that much cheaper. However, what is getting a great round really worth? One might argue that a Yaris gets better gas mileage and is cheaper to run than a Tahoe. That's true, until you get into an unexpected, ugly confrontation that results in a bad, life threatening wreck. Walking away in one piece from the Tahoe, I'm pretty sure one would forget the extra coin spent on fuel, but would rather be very grateful for having all that extra metal for protection.
Just as it is with our choice of ammo for training and self-defense.
Spend like it's game day, not coupon day.
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grover99,
Enjoy your compact 320. It will serve you well
357 SIG is a modern favorite of mine. I have been shooting and loading for it since the mid nineties. You get the external and terminal performance of the 357 Magnum 125JHP (#1 single shot stopper in recorded shootings) in a higher capacity semi auto. This is much more controllable than a 2" or 4" revolver. 357 SIG is one of the most inherently accurate cartridges out there.
As mentioned, S&W has only chambered the SIGMA and M&P for this cartridge. I need to pick up a compact one day.
The SIGs are great. The P229 and P239 are prefect platforms for the cartridge.
The P226 is larger than the P229 but has no gain in capacity without the use of extended magaznes. The X5 is a laser accurate target version.
SIG also has the baby P224. Kind of a chopped down P229 and it will even take P229 or P226 magazines.
HK has the USPc, P2000 and P2000SK. I can't find any photos of mine (need to fix that). The P2000SK is by far the most accurate tiny gun I have ever handled. It has no right to group as good as it does.
In answer to Jessie, there is my favorite, my MP5. It will do 30 rounds of 357 SIG on target in under 2 seconds if you want it to or select a burst fire configuration or single shot. The 9" barrel really makes this a flat shooting speed demon of a cartridge. Pretty much a point blank shooting carbine for any range you would encounter in an Urban setting.
In regards to ammo, if you can afford to, buy full cases on-line and you will find it much more reasonable than the corner Mom and Pop store.
I need full cases on hand, especially on a demo day
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DUDE!!! Colt_saa are those all yours???  Very cool collection of pistols I wouldn't expect to see with a call sign like yours!  Nice.
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Congrats on the P320!! Follow this thread if you want to find out whats available in 357Sig ammo. This fellow has almost all of it listed..... oftentimes with links:
Speer Gold Dot vs. Double Tap - Glock Talk
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I love the round and it is my carry choice. I have Sig 239 in the model with the rounded non snag frame & slide ( cannot recall the exact model name) in 40 with a factory 357 sig spare barrel and a Glock 32. Nice shooter and concealable.
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I have one .357 SIG pistol and love the caliber, but it is LOUD and snappy.
Springfield Armory XD in .357 SIG. A few years ago my birthday(12-16) present and Christmas presents from my wife was a conversion barrel in .357 SIG for the M&P .40 here. She also got me a 9mm conversion barrel and a few magazines so I was a happy camper. One pistol and three calibers.
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