Arik
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Depends on ammo.
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I have an Yugo M57 in 7.62 X 25.
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BearBio
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Am I the only one confused?
The OP starts by titling the thread 7.65 x 25mm, then talks about the 9x18mm, then switches to 9 x 25 (9 x 25 Dillon wildcat? 9 x 25 mm Mauser?)
In post #7, he talks about a "567" caliber requirement? What Soviet handgun uses a 50 cal bullet?
I don't find a 9 x 17 Makarov. The 9 x 17 mm is another name for the .380 acp.
The OP starts by titling the thread 7.65 x 25mm, then talks about the 9x18mm, then switches to 9 x 25 (9 x 25 Dillon wildcat? 9 x 25 mm Mauser?)
In post #7, he talks about a "567" caliber requirement? What Soviet handgun uses a 50 cal bullet?
I don't find a 9 x 17 Makarov. The 9 x 17 mm is another name for the .380 acp.
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Arik
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There are a couple of typos. The 9x17 Makarov. ...he ment 9x18, which is the Makarov cal.
567 is .365 which is wider than the western 9mm
9x25 is supposed to be 7.62x25 .310 dia.
At least that's how I understood it
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Arik
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Btw, they can't or shouldn't be carried chambered and not all function with HP ammo. It's a boutique caliber and an outdated gun.
Engine49guy
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Very hot round very small bullet, Kinda like a smaller handgun version of the .223.
Imagine 50 round drum mags of it being fired full auto by a massed human wave assault and the STG45 to combat it makes alot of sense.
Had this one but sold it a while back
Still have this one, delayed roller locking lug hangun IMO is way cool !
Imagine 50 round drum mags of it being fired full auto by a massed human wave assault and the STG45 to combat it makes alot of sense.
Had this one but sold it a while back
Still have this one, delayed roller locking lug hangun IMO is way cool !
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Arik
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72 round drum magsVery hot round very small bullet, Kinda like a smaller handgun version of the .223.
Imagine 50 round drum mags of it being fired full auto by a massed human wave assault and the STG45 to combat it makes alot of sense.
Had this one but sold it a while back
Still have this one, delayed roller locking lug hangun IMO is way cool !
BigBill
Absent Comrade
The 7.62x25 military surplus sealed cans of FMJ ammo was dirt cheap. I stashed a few away for plinking.
A modern pistol or revolver in this caliber would be neat. I wish the cz82 was in this caliber.
A modern pistol or revolver in this caliber would be neat. I wish the cz82 was in this caliber.
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Engine49guy
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72 rounds is almost 25% worse !
My favorite Tokorov story , I was married to a young lady from East Poland and we went there just after the fall of communism to meet her family, One night I asked her dad over vodka shots if he remembered the war, He said Oh yes the Germans came down that road behind the house and the Russians came down the same road a few years later, ... I asked what story most stuck out in his head from that time he said "My mother woke me one morning and said GO Get the Russian officer cordoned in the house next door as his soldiers are stealing the vegetables from our garden!.....He ran next door and woke the Commisar....Your soldiers are stealing our vegetables we need to eat PLEAS HELP...with a long yawn he got up and walked next door to where my young Father in law was pointing to the soldiers in their field...He then drew his Tokorov TT33 Pistol and calmly began firing at his men as they scattered"... Problem solved Russian Military style.
On a side note he came to the US once and I showed him my AK47... He looked at it and said "Oh thats a PPSH".
My favorite Tokorov story , I was married to a young lady from East Poland and we went there just after the fall of communism to meet her family, One night I asked her dad over vodka shots if he remembered the war, He said Oh yes the Germans came down that road behind the house and the Russians came down the same road a few years later, ... I asked what story most stuck out in his head from that time he said "My mother woke me one morning and said GO Get the Russian officer cordoned in the house next door as his soldiers are stealing the vegetables from our garden!.....He ran next door and woke the Commisar....Your soldiers are stealing our vegetables we need to eat PLEAS HELP...with a long yawn he got up and walked next door to where my young Father in law was pointing to the soldiers in their field...He then drew his Tokorov TT33 Pistol and calmly began firing at his men as they scattered"... Problem solved Russian Military style.
On a side note he came to the US once and I showed him my AK47... He looked at it and said "Oh thats a PPSH".
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The TT-33 is a great gun, but it hs no safety. My surplus M57 Yugo is better, because of its safety.
The 7.62 X 25 has a .309", 86 grain FMJ bullet.
I was looking to create a new "wildcat" from the 9mm Parabellum and a .312" - 313" bullet to be used in a 9mm platform.
Arik suggested a .38 Super platform for the. 30 Tokarev (7.62 X 25) cartridge. The problem is that the Super's COAL is 22.9mm not 25. Close, but no cigar.
The 7.62 X 25 has a .309", 86 grain FMJ bullet.
I was looking to create a new "wildcat" from the 9mm Parabellum and a .312" - 313" bullet to be used in a 9mm platform.
Arik suggested a .38 Super platform for the. 30 Tokarev (7.62 X 25) cartridge. The problem is that the Super's COAL is 22.9mm not 25. Close, but no cigar.
I have also, but really do not want another caliber to deal with.
If I own it I have to reload for it!
I have messed around with the guns at the shop and the heavy triggers have made me shy away, Cool round though!
hkcavalier
US Veteran
It's a great cartridge. It's a shame most of the handguns for which it's chambered have such poor ergonomics/sights/etc.
It's like a 9mm world where the Hi-Power was never invented and the newest design is the P-38.
I got rid of my CZ-52 once cheap surplus started to get hard to find. That was a fun range gun but, with its iffy decocker could never be relied on in a serious self defense scenario. I looked for years for hot JHPs and never found any, just Wolf ammo that clocked 1350fps out of a CZ-52. Not bad but not 1600fps!
A large frame Glock with an extended barrel in 7.62x25mm could be a real hoot.
It's like a 9mm world where the Hi-Power was never invented and the newest design is the P-38.
I got rid of my CZ-52 once cheap surplus started to get hard to find. That was a fun range gun but, with its iffy decocker could never be relied on in a serious self defense scenario. I looked for years for hot JHPs and never found any, just Wolf ammo that clocked 1350fps out of a CZ-52. Not bad but not 1600fps!
A large frame Glock with an extended barrel in 7.62x25mm could be a real hoot.
Engine49guy
Member
Actually to meet the import restrictions TT33's needed a safety added so the imports do have one (usually),
Thats how I could tell the one I posted above was a war trophy (most likely from Korean conflict) not a later import.
Also IMO the originals do have a safety feature that is active when the chamber is empty, once you chamber a round the safety system is turned off,
These are WWII era guns meant for war not modern CCW.
On a side note I was a gun show years ago and a frequent seller there had a wooden crate of Russian TT-33's without added safeties for $200, I went home and regretted not buying one, A few months later I looked for him but he wasnt there so asked the regular vendors where he was, They said the ATF arrested him after the last show....probably good thing I didnt buy one of those TT-33's after all or I would have been getting a visit.
Again, much ado about nothing.
The piatols are fine and are not "unsafe" to carry. The safety installed on the slde acts as a "hammer block" type safety. The Yugo Zastava M57 pistols are marvelous for multiple uses.
I can see where mine would be handy around the farm for klling varmints: coyote, wolf, marmots (prairie dogs) as well as many other pests at considerable ranges. Installing improved front and rear sights would have an impact on how well you can employ the high-speed round.
If you'll look up Hickock45 and his "range report" on the pistol, you can see that he views both the handgun and round quite favorably.
The new commercial production Yugo Zastava M57 pistols are not expensive, are well manufactured. They are powerful (with the proper ammunition) and the cartridge can be easily handloaded much to the deight of the hobbyist and can provide years of yeoman service, both at home and in the field.
Many American shooters are finally realizing that Feydor Tokarev's pistol/cartridge combination was a dandy, and served the Soviet Union, as well as many other nations since 1930. In some nations it is still in use.
i wouldn't sell it short.
The piatols are fine and are not "unsafe" to carry. The safety installed on the slde acts as a "hammer block" type safety. The Yugo Zastava M57 pistols are marvelous for multiple uses.
I can see where mine would be handy around the farm for klling varmints: coyote, wolf, marmots (prairie dogs) as well as many other pests at considerable ranges. Installing improved front and rear sights would have an impact on how well you can employ the high-speed round.
If you'll look up Hickock45 and his "range report" on the pistol, you can see that he views both the handgun and round quite favorably.
The new commercial production Yugo Zastava M57 pistols are not expensive, are well manufactured. They are powerful (with the proper ammunition) and the cartridge can be easily handloaded much to the deight of the hobbyist and can provide years of yeoman service, both at home and in the field.
Many American shooters are finally realizing that Feydor Tokarev's pistol/cartridge combination was a dandy, and served the Soviet Union, as well as many other nations since 1930. In some nations it is still in use.
i wouldn't sell it short.
BigBill
Absent Comrade
Reeds Ammo has the 7,62x25 ammo your choice on speed.
Texas Star
US Veteran
Arik
Member
Correct. There are two CZ companies.
Most of CZ (Ceska Zbrojovka - Czech Factory/Assembly) from Czech Republic are mis labeled in the US. Typically they are VZ which stands for Vzor or "model". So a VZ 52 is a model 52 or as they say in the US cz52
The other CZ (Crvena Zastava - Red Flag/Banner) now known as Zastava Arms is from Yugoslavia (originally) and has nothing to do with Czechoslovakian or Czech Republic CZ.
Vegetaman
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Well, thanks to you guys, I just got this thing...
And a few boxes of PPU 7.62x25 for like $17/box of 50 ea.
Zastava's newer manufacture M57. Serial number is sub-2000. Date of manufacture is 2012.
And a few boxes of PPU 7.62x25 for like $17/box of 50 ea.
Zastava's newer manufacture M57. Serial number is sub-2000. Date of manufacture is 2012.
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Engine49guy
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Interesting it has a slide mounted safety
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