H&K SP5

I think a few here have one. Pretty sure at least one has the real deal select fire MP5.

Been thinking about one for a while, thought too long and now the prices are nuts.

I've never handled one, and wondering if their really that nice? Are they ammo picky? Very well made?

If I get one I'd stamp it as a SBR. Actually like the looks of the rifle stock over the HK pull out version.

I've got a SBR CZ S2 Scorpion with a pull out stock that's a blast to shoot, but it ain't a SP5.

Already have a 9mm silencer to make it even more tactiCOOL.

To those that have them or shot one in multitudes...are they worth the outrageous price tag they have today? I don't see them dropping in price in the future.

wood714 said:

I think a few here have one. Pretty sure at least one has the real deal select fire MP5.

Been thinking about one for a while, thought too long and now the prices are nuts.

I've never handled one, and wondering if their really that nice? Are they ammo picky? Very well made?

If I get one I'd stamp it as a SBR. Actually like the looks of the rifle stock over the HK pull out version.

I've got a SBR CZ S2 Scorpion with a pull out stock that's a blast to shoot, but it ain't a SP5.

Already have a 9mm silencer to make it even more tactiCOOL.

To those that have them or shot one in multitudes...are they worth the outrageous price tag they have today? I don't see them dropping in price in the future.

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Are they worth it is always a subjective question and the wrong way to look at this.

If you want one and plan on keeping it, they they are worth it. Why?

With an item like these, Time is your friend. It will always sell for more than what you bought it. How many other recreational items can you say that about?

Many years ago, when I was considering my first NFA Title II purchase I thought it was too much money to spend. Well the following year it was $1,000 more. I mulled over the idea and again was thinking it was too much money to spend, but I spent it. Today that first SMG (which I still own) can be sold for almost 15 times what I paid for it.

And what is better is that I had a butt load of fun with it over those decades.

Just two weeks ago, I had my MP5/357 out at the range with some friends

The nice thing about MP5s is that you can have the fixed stock on it or you can have the collapsible stock on it or you can even have no stock on it. There is a tail cap for it with a sling attachment. You push the SMG forward against the sling for stability. OK, that is not the most fun or accurate way to shoot the firearm

You can also change forends. Mine all wear the wide forend which is what is on most TV shows and movies, but there is a slender forend as well

On it's last trip to the range, I was also testing some recently loaded 147 grain JHP ammunition with my old SWR Trident.

Now the TRUTH about select fire firearms . . . . They are very inexpensive to buy at any price compared to the amount of ammunition they eat.

Here is how to put 30 rounds of 357SIG on target is about 2 seconds . . .

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Select fire MP5’s are about the most fun gun to shoot that I have ever shot. I wish that back in pre 86 that I had lived in a county where the CLEO would have given a regular citizen approval to own a Class III firearm as I would have bought one of the many that my dealer had on his shop wall for the $495 price tag plus the $200 tax stamp. Transferable MP 5’s have gotten horrendously expensive over the years. But you can buy decent semi auto HK or clone versions of the MP5 that are pistols, that will give you some flavor of the original iconic firearm.

I have a Zenith MKE Z5RS clone and it is a favorite to take to the range. Very reliable, accurate and a really fun shooting firearm.

Mine was made in early 2017, very well made and finished. Made in Turkey by MKE on HK equipment, licensed HK clone.

I have also chosen the MKE version, mine was imported by CAI and is fun to shoot even without a stock with only the sling. I have filled out Form 1, paid the tax and am waiting for approval and for my HK retractable stock to come in. The retractable stocks have been discontinued and prices are rapidly rising.

I was issued H&K and Cetme G3's and noticed no difference in quality, same with MKE and H&K. The products of POF can be a different story cosmetically.

While I don't own one, I did use one extensively back in my SWAT days.

VERY accurate firearms and the almost unique ability to fire from closed bolt in FA fire seals the deal in the accuracy department.

Went on more than a few crackhouse raids and felony warrants with a fixed stock MP5.

I too should have bought pre 86, but young cops in the 1980s weren't swimming in the dough.

Get it, I say. They're phenomenal shooters.

Will any stock that fits the MP5 also fit the SP5?

With a tax stamp of course.

wood714 said:

Will any stock that fits the MP5 also fit the SP5?

With a tax stamp of course.

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Yes, any stock will work.

The MP5 had been my grail gun since my childhood. I didn’t grow up playing video games, I grew up watching Die Hard
They are absolutely awesome guns, you won’t be disappointed. Here’s mine…






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I have several, HK, MKE, Dakota -all semi- and love them. So much fun to shoot. HK guns are a juxtaposition of miltary stamped steel and German precision, so they rattle a bit in places where it doesn’t matter. In this day of $2k revolvers, a $3k smile inducing carbine isn’t so bad.

YMMV with the non-HK guns. I have had good luck with MKE gun (Zenith and Century imports), many others have not.

I have not shot a Scorpion, but compared with my MPX and AR9, the SP5 is much softer shooting. I trust the MPX a little more to feed hollow points reliably, but I haven't had an issue with the HK yet. Clones have disliked some flat point 147s on the last round in the mag for me.

Also, there is a distinct difference (to me anyway) between the SP5 and the SP5k. Both balance well but the 5K feels much smaller/lighter than its relative size suggests it should. I didn't think this could be so pronounced until I got one.

MikeR90S said:

I have several, HK, MKE, Dakota -all semi- and love them. So much fun to shoot. HK guns are a juxtaposition of miltary stamped steel and German precision, so they rattle a bit in places where it doesn’t matter. In this day of $2k revolvers, a $3k smile inducing carbine isn’t so bad.

YMMV with the non-HK guns. I have had good luck with MKE gun (Zenith and Century imports), many others have not.

I have not shot a Scorpion, but compared with my MPX and AR9, the SP5 is much softer shooting. I trust the MPX a little more to feed hollow points reliably, but I haven't had an issue with the HK yet. Clones have disliked some flat point 147s on the last round in the mag for me.

Also, there is a distinct difference (to me anyway) between the SP5 and the SP5k. Both balance well but the 5K feels much smaller/lighter than its relative size suggests it should. I didn't think this could be so pronounced until I got one.

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Scorpions are pretty CooL, especially with a real stock instead of a brace.

I bought a new HK made A2 stock last night off GB. Most of the prices I'm seeing are right at $4K after shipping and tax for the SP5's.

Got the stock ordered, so I HAVE to get one now.

And I will keep the stock at a friends house till my stamp comes in. Don't want no intention to make worries from the ATF.

My Scorpion likes it's tail in the air like the scorpion bug.

Just bought it. Now the wait to get it, and then the wait for the tax stamp to SBR it.

I hope the ATF is as fast as they were on the 3 I got back in 2020. Those were 23 days for one and 17 days for 2 I sent in a few weeks later.

My department issued the MP5-A3 and of course, all the ammo they could eat. Probably the most fun you can have with your clothes on. The HK 94 was also a fun semi auto.

I really like all my HK delayed roller locks.

The best part is that they are are like “adult” Legos. Most parts, (rifle wise,) are interchangeable throughout with some needing simple modifications. Not that long ago factory new items were just pennies on the dollar.

I really like the navy lowers with the bottom insert. I can put my gummie bears, candy corn or a copy of my NFA stamp in the grip. The wood hardware, (which I have for all of them,) I made from excellent condition G3’s.

I’m glad you got yours it but it probably won’t be your last. They can become addictive.

Jim

4T5GUY said:

I really like all my HK delayed roller locks.

The best part is that they are are like “adult” Legos. Most parts, (rifle wise,) are interchangeable throughout with some needing simple modifications. Not that long ago factory new items were just pennies on the dollar.

I really like the navy lowers with the bottom insert. I can put my gummie bears, candy corn or a copy of my NFA stamp in the grip. The wood hardware, (which I have for all of them,) I made from excellent condition G3’s.

I’m glad you got yours it but it probably won’t be your last. They can become addictive.

Jim

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That wood stock set is gorgeous!

wood714 said:

That wood stock set is gorgeous!

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Thanks, I think it’s nice. I made it from a pretty good/OK condition, (considering,) donor G3 furniture. It took some time and lots of attention. That was my first attempt for a MP5 and it was perfect. I thought others might to be interested and attempted to kinda market them. Nope.

Jim

4T5Guy,

did you just remove the spring on the G3 stock, cut the metal with the hole for the second pin and added the buffer?

Although I've been tempted many times never scratched the PCC itch.
A while back saw this review and found it very informative
Showdown! Best PCC?? MPX vs CZ Scorpion vs Colt-Pattern 9mm vs MP5 - YouTube

The FOPA of 1986 with the added Hughes Amendment wasn’t a good deal for gun owners. Worse, it was done as an 11th hour addition with virtually no committee discussion and very rapid implementation. The president at the time was pro law enforcement, but he was in no way pro gun. People remember that wrong.

Which was the lead in to the ban went into effect and prices sky rocketed before I turned 21 and would have been able to purchase a full auto capable firearm in my state.

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I have an MKE MP5 and I added a Franklin Armory binary trigger and a pistol brace to it. (I may end up having to SBR it if the ATF gets away with its NPRM on the subject of braced pistols.) It has been a very reliable firearm, provided I use HK magazines. The MKE magazines have issues with the last round failing to feed when using hollow points (but run fine with round nose FMJs).

It’s still minute of man at 200 yards, but it’s not as accurate as either my AR-15 braced pistol in 9mm (with an 8” Ballistic Advantage barrel) or my R6450 Colt SP1 16” 9mm. Both of those are 2 MOA accurate at 200 yards with 115 gr XTPs.

Andyd said:

4T5Guy,
did you just remove the spring on the G3 stock, cut the metal with the hole for the second pin and added the buffer?

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I got the complete backplate from Robert/RTG Parts. Jeff/Parabellum Combat Systems was modifying them. He also was making the extended selector levers not to mention some awesome delayed roller lock builds.

Jeff “put” my MP5 parts kit together and included a test target and a video of it running in F/A.

Jim

I bought mine about 2005 when the prices were not too crazy. I had mine built by Vector Arms (before their problems and ultimate closing). Its an MP5K PDW in .40 S&W. This is a variant that H&K never built. They built the K PDW version and a .40 MP5, but not an MP5K PDW in .40. Its very accurate and fun to shoot. I qualified with it and carried it before the agency I retired from issued rifles. I did the Form 1 and put a side folding stock and front vertical grip on it.

I always wanted to get one of the shoulder holsters for it, but as the .40, .357 Sig and 10MM guns only had straight 30 round mags and they are too long to carry in the holster.

Hindsight being 20/20 and my having a non-standard build, I wish it was in 10MM as I really like that caliber.

Mine is also semi-auto since the full auto sears make the price truly insane.

Engine49guy said:

Although I've been tempted many times never scratched the PCC itch.
A while back saw this review and found it very informative
Showdown! Best PCC?? MPX vs CZ Scorpion vs Colt-Pattern 9mm vs MP5 - YouTube

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I disagree with him in a few areas.

1. The MP5
- it is indeed old, but antiquated is going a bit far;
- it is an exceptionally smooth firing PCC, far better than the Colt 9mm with it blow black operating system;
- it’s very reliable and durable;
- it handles well and is just fun to shoot;
- if the ATF succeeds in requiring pistol braces to be registered as NFA items, it still shoots very well with a sling mounted on the end cap pushing out against the sling for stability.

2. The Colt 9mm
- he doesn’t look like he has girly man thumbs but he apparently does. I own a dozen or so Uzi mags and a dozen or so Colt pattern mags. I have no problem loading them, except for the last two rounds on a couple of the Uzi mags. And in that case, just invert the magazine and press it against the round on a hard flat surface. No tool required;
- the cyclic rate depends on the buffer weight. Heavier equals lower cyclic rate and fewer issues with reliability;
- some Colt magazine pattern PCCs can be set up with a last round bolt hold open, but you’ll want a heavy buffer to keep from breaking them; and
- you can get AR-15s in 9mm with either Colt or Glock pattern magazines.

3. The CZ Scorpion
- the trigger on it is poor, with lots of take up, no clean break and a fairly long reset;
- it’s polymer, has lots of polymer parts, and doesn’t strike me as durable;
- like the MP5 it does have a bolt hold open function built into the charging handle, and unlike the MP5, it can easily get bumped and send the bolt forward;
- the grip angle is poor and the right side ambi-safety smacks your finger every time you fire it;
- Not a particular beef with the gun, but he kept putting his hand in front of the muzzle with his finger inside the trigger guard. That bad form on his part, and maybe taking back my first thought about it not being a beef with the gun, it’s a gun best run suppressed as with the short barrel getting your hand in front of it under extreme stress is a larger than usual possibility.

4. The Sig MPX
- it’s a gas piston operated Colt that costs a more than the MP5;
- it’s a locked breech design which is a plus;
- but it shares other Colt faults
- if you have a SB tactical telescoping brace installed, it can cause some interference with your fingers over the charging handle.

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In short, none of them are perfect, just get the one you want and the one you shoot best.