What's the deal with lock's?

[RDak]

Bullseye and Titan: You are missing out on one of life's simple pleasures (i.e., grinding down the nub on that stupid lock flag)!!

Oh, and there is nothing like experiencing the feeling of whipping that stupid flag into the waste basket like a frisbee!!

You simply have to experience it to really know what I'm talkin' about!!

On a serious note though, there have been instances of the lock engaging upon recoil in lighter framed guns. Plus, I had a Model 67 that had a misaligned flag that was GOUGING the hammer.

It was so much fun disabling the locks in those guns. Try it, you're both missing out on one of life's simple pleasures.

 

[PALADIN85020]

You will have a hell of a time getting rid of the ugly hole. Aside from the reliability issue and the political issue, the hole is UGLY. You'd think they could have done something simpler, more reliable and hidden, like Ruger, if they absolutely had to do the lock thing. Bah.

 

[cmort666]

You will have a hell of a time getting rid of the ugly hole. Aside from the reliability issue and the political issue, the hole is UGLY. You'd think they could have done something simpler, more reliable and hidden, like Ruger, if they absolutely had to do the lock thing. Bah.

But where's the fun in that?

You not only need to HAVE the lock, you need to KNOW you have the lock, every time you see the gun.

S&W is like Jennifer Anniston in "The Breakup". You don't just need to HAVE the lock, you need to WANT to have the lock. S&W has taken on the role of passive-aggressive girlfriend... well in my case, passive-aggressive EX-girlfriend.

 

[Old Navy]

You will have a hell of a time getting rid of the ugly hole. Aside from the reliability issue and the political issue, the hole is UGLY. You'd think they could have done something simpler, more reliable and hidden, like Ruger, if they absolutely had to do the lock thing. Bah.

So screw a zirk fitting into the hole and be done with it.

 

[Titan]

You will have a hell of a time getting rid of the ugly hole. Aside from the reliability issue and the political issue, the hole is UGLY. You'd think they could have done something simpler, more reliable and hidden, like Ruger, if they absolutely had to do the lock thing. Bah.

I actually think they lose more business from the miserable aesthetics than from political outrage.

I agree that they couldn't have come up with an uglier implementation if they worked at it for a very long time.

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[5Wire]

I actually think they lose more business from the miserable aesthetics than from political outrage.

I agree that they couldn't have come up with an uglier implementation if they worked at it for a very long time.

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Hard to prove with sales rising steadily. I agree on the aesthetics.

 

[KurtC]

I find it ironic that Saf-T-Wesson sees a need for a lock on an archaic, 19th century design, yet cranks out plastic zip guns and assault rifles like it's armegeddon. Go figure.

 

[MBaneACP]

This thread sort of comes around every now and then. My lock failure was with a 329PD and 255-gr Keith loads, shooting DA. The failure was after at least a box of 240-gr JHPs without incidence. As near as any number of gunsmiths who know a lot more of me can figure, the recoil impulse in the ultra-light frames from heavy bullet/hot loads can cause the flag to hang long enough to catch the hammer as it falls, jamming up the gun big time. I've never heard of similar lock jams on steel framed guns.

From my own standpoint, I'm unwilling to carry ultra-light revolvers equipped with the lock for either self-defense or as back-up in dangerous game country. My super deluxe .44 Special M21 has the lock removed. When I get a few minutes, I'll pull the lock out of the 329, which until then is relegated to .44 Specials.

Michael B

 

[Old Navy]

This thread sort of comes around every now and then. My lock failure was with a 329PD and 255-gr Keith loads, shooting DA. The failure was after at least a box of 240-gr JHPs without incidence. As near as any number of gunsmiths who know a lot more of me can figure, the recoil impulse in the ultra-light frames from heavy bullet/hot loads can cause the flag to hang long enough to catch the hammer as it falls, jamming up the gun big time. I've never heard of similar lock jams on steel framed guns.

From my own standpoint, I'm unwilling to carry ultra-light revolvers equipped with the lock for either self-defense or as back-up in dangerous game country. My super deluxe .44 Special M21 has the lock removed. When I get a few minutes, I'll pull the lock out of the 329, which until then is relegated to .44 Specials.

Michael B

I guess you did not read about my 647 HMR that jammed up on me at the range and I only shot maybe 20 or 25 rounds through the gun. That was an all steel 17 HMR that I almost wish I had kept just because they mad so few of them. That gun had a 8.5" barrel and weighed more then my 610 6.5" because it was L frame with almost no steel bored out. I think the weight was listed at 46 oz, but I can't remember for sure. I just remember it had a terrible balance unlike my Dan Wesson 8" 22 Magnum.

 

[Titan]

Hard to prove with sales rising steadily. I agree on the aesthetics.

Understood re their rising sales.

My comments relate to the constant comments on forums like this that individuals will never buy another new Smith as long as there are locks.

You'd have to believe S&W is 'leaving sales on the table', given that the folks making these comments ARE buying older, used Smiths without locks (ie. they're motivated buyers with money to spend on guns).

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[5Wire]

...You'd have to believe S&W is 'leaving sales on the table', given that the folks making these comments ARE buying older, used Smiths without locks (ie. they're motivated buyers with money to spend on guns).

I hear ya. Maybe some unintended consequences there, like keeping the used gun prices high prompts higher new gun prices...?