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This has come up again. For those who feel that the President is not a natural US citizen, please see the following:

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Factcheck.org is a respected non-partisan political research organization founded by Walter Annenberg's foundation. Annenberg founded TV Guide and was a close friend of Ronald and Nancy Reagan. Hardly the kind of guy who would have covered up this kind of thing, were it true, which it is not.



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And once again, It is water under the bridge at this point even if he was born elsewhere. The fact is that we had better change the numbers in congress in 2010 if we want to stop his socialist agenda.
 
It wouldn't matter if Obama were born in front of the Lincoln Memorial. He'd still be a political thug from Chicago, and that's all he'll ever be.
 
This has come up again. For those who feel that the President is not a natural US citizen, please see the following:

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

Factcheck.org is a respected non-partisan political research organization founded by Walter Annenberg's foundation. Annenberg founded TV Guide and was a close friend of Ronald and Nancy Reagan. Hardly the kind of guy who would have covered up this kind of thing, were it true, which it is not.



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Please read my last post under "Is Any Of This True". I wish these two post could be combined. Thanks for "Factcheck.org.
 
Okay, that's settled. Now let's turn our attention to getting ready for 2010. Let's find some candidates who won't spend money we don't have on things we don't need. Let's get some folks to run who believe in term limits, tax cuts, drill here drill now until we can switch over to some other kind of energy, 2A rights, real immigration reform, personal responsibility,etc. A lot of us didn't vote last time because the liberal media chose candidates we didn't like. There are more conservatives in this country than there liberals. Let's get the vote out and show them we still matter.
 
Let me explain that I posted this as a new thread because the issue about Obama's birth came up again early this morning on a thread for which David LaPell was the OP. That thread disappeared for some reason. So, I decided to post the link to Factcheck.org here.

For the record, I did not vote for Obama. But, the tone of the attacks on him -- that he's a closet Muslim, that he is not a natural US citizen, that his family is practicing voodoo in the White House -- disturb me because they are corrosive to the political process and because frankly, they distract from the real business at hand: what should be the policies that will guide the recovery and future of our country? Not to mention the fact that wild accusations like this alienate a lot of centrist voters whose support we will need to see any change in the Congressional line-up in 2010.

In other words, there is enough that people don't like about what is going on to make the case on the merits. We don't have to stoop to McCarthyite-Rovian tactics to persuade people of the correctness of our position.


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Bullseye is right. Stay away from the tin foil hat stuff and focus on what the thugs from Chicago politics are actually trying to ram down our throats and we should start seeing some big "real" change in 2010.
 
Disappearing Thread

Thank you, Charlie. BTW, not to distract, but does anyone know what the deal is with the disappearing thread? David LaPell posted a thread early this morning which presented some material off of an internet sight claiming that the Obama family was practicing voodoo in the White House. I composed a response to this, but when I clicked on the Submit Reply button, an error message came back saying that there was no valid thread to post it to. Could the OP or one of the mods have deleted the entire thread? If so, why would that have been done?


Thanks.


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... Could the OP or one of the mods have deleted the entire thread? If so, why would that have been done?

Thanks.

Bullseye

The thread had every possibility of developing racial overtones, would be my guess. That, and you were about to start a war.

To stick with 2010 - even disregarding tinfoil hat stuff, it still would be wise to remember that even conservative voters base a lot of their opposition on their personal impression of the candidate. Subjective judgements are always in play, and while it is difficult to sort reasonable personal opinion from unreasonable, it is not a good idea to discount or attempt to discredit it.

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Let me explain that I posted this as a new thread because the issue about Obama's birth came up again early this morning on a thread for which David LaPell was the OP. That thread disappeared for some reason. So, I decided to post the link to Factcheck.org here.

For the record, I did not vote for Obama. But, the tone of the attacks on him -- that he's a closet Muslim, that he is not a natural US citizen, that his family is practicing voodoo in the White House -- disturb me because they are corrosive to the political process and because frankly, they distract from the real business at hand: what should be the policies that will guide the recovery and future of our country? Not to mention the fact that wild accusations like this alienate a lot of centrist voters whose support we will need to see any change in the Congressional line-up in 2010.

In other words, there is enough that people don't like about what is going on to make the case on the merits. We don't have to stoop to McCarthyite-Rovian tactics to persuade people of the correctness of our position.


Bullseye

Well stated. Thank-you.
 
For the record, I haven't read one word of this thread till 09:15 PDT opening this page of it first.
However, the reflexive knee jerk words are being thrown around pretty well on this page alone. Before you try to tar something as "McCarthyism" I'd suggest you review the Venona papers. And "Rovian" being used as a slur may be satisfying to some, but just remember Emmanuel's history has yet to be written?
 
....or the color of his skin. (For those in the world still trying to push that idea.)
Of course the crowning irony is that Obama himself is deeply immersed in the pervasive bigotry of Chicago.

In Chicago Whites hate Blacks, Blacks hate Jews, Mexicans hate Puerto Ricans, mainland Italians hate Sicilians, etc., etc., etc.

Anybody who thinks he never heard the things that Jeremiah Wright said is smoking crack. I haven't the slightest doubt that he heard these things and nodded his head in agreement, whether he believed them or not. Politically it would have been sufficient merely to be SEEN to have agreed.

Obama comes out of a political culture where the public at large doesn't care if a politician steals their last $5.00, just so long as they believe he'll spend $.01 of it to hurt somebody different from them.
 
Thiokol was kind enough to inform me that David LaPell's thread was deleted, though not by him, because its subject was religion, which is a prohibited topic on this board. That makes sense to me.

I do not know if I was about to start a war. I was going to say something to express my amazement at the charge that Obama could at once be a Muslim, a Hindu, and a follower of Santaria (voodoo). As I have said here before, I do not think our cause is well-served by embracing, supporting, promoting, or spreading what Charlie called "the tin-foil hat stuff." It alienates centrist,largely Independent voters, who increasingly hold the balance of power in any national election.

American politics is played between the 40 yard-lines. As a veteran of some 200 campaigns for the House, Senate, White House, and numerous governorships, you are spot on when you say that the voters take the measure of the man before they start thinking about his stands on specific issues. Their emotional reactions to the candidate as a person color their perceptions of where he stands on the issues. Nonetheless, if you are going to base a campaign on the character issue, you've got to have more ammunition than groundless assertions that your opponent is some kind of flesh-eating zombie. The voters see through that stuff, and often punish the candidate they see as responsible for or benefiting from it.

Personally, I don't think the President yet understands how ticked off people are by the fact that the stimulus and bail-out packages have once again done a great deal for those at the top, and produced very little in the way of tangible relief for average working families. If I was running a campaign for 2010, that is where I would concentrate my fire. It is an issue that cuts across party lines, and, on the character issue, casts serious doubt on the claim that the President is empathic and sensitive to the needs of average working people.


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