LOCK- ..can't get past "the hole".

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I've been shooting since I was a kid in the '40's...spoiled with all the quality fo guns from those times. I don't own anything with an IL and probably won't. I nearly choked when my recent 64 showed up with a hollow trigger. Progress isn't always a good thing. I'm thankful that there are plenty of older guns out there to last me the rest of my days! An IL is like political correctness...and I'm dead against that. The Australian prime minister's speech about wimpy immigrants was right on...you come to my country...you live by our rules! I'd like so see a vote on the IL by the shooters. I'd vote no.
 
Happy Thanksgiving, all. "I can't believe I ate the whole thing...." Well, I didn't but I did put a good dent in the old bird and the fixins. And there'll be sammiches tomorrow, huzzah.

My extensive collection of two (yes, two) revolvers all have the IL but it is a very easy thing to remove and fill the hole with a Bullseye Smith plug. I am disappointed that the IL exists at all but I am thankful for BS' good old-fashioned American ingenuity.

Chris
 
"I REFUSE to buy a new model S&W with the IL when I can purchase an excellent pre lock for a less expensive price"

I agree with this. The man obviously knows what he is talking about.
 
Sportsterguy said:
Please define Mimwits and lockjaws?
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Simple.

"I won't own a gun with MIM parts or a lock".

I can't take the credit, it was someone else that came up with those names.

Some people just reject change, we all do to some extent. But there are a good number of people on here that just go from topic to topic complaining about the lock and the MIM parts. I've watched new S&W owners come here to learn more about the new revolver they just purchased and get ripped apart because they bought something with a lock or MIM part. Understandably they leave after a few visits never to return.

We're in a disposible society where there are probably more plastic and aluminum guns than steel being produced. Manufacturers are doing anything to cut costs just to stay in business. At this point I'm amazed that S&W is even producing revolvers in steel and could care less about the lock and MIM parts.
 
Joed49 said:
But there are a good number of people on here that just go from topic to topic complaining about the lock and the MIM parts. I've watched new S&W owners come here to learn more about the new revolver they just purchased and get ripped apart because they bought something with a lock or MIM part.
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I'm sorry that you don't understand or appreciate information being passed about the fact that the IL will once in a while cause a revolver to be completely nonfunctional, but the information is not posted here for you. It is posted SPECIFICALLY for the new guy who otherwise would not hear about it, thus would be unable to take whatever steps he considered appropriate.

If you feel that it is not appropriate to do anything at all about the IL, that is your problem; don't try to make it everyone else's.
 
I've never seen credible evidence of the locks spontaneously locking.
As far as the guns, the revolvers Smith makes today are the best ones they have ever made. The combination of better materials and better manufacturing techniques has yielded guns with trigger pulls that would have taken a lot of expensive gunsmithing in the past.
I'm past the brady hole and looking hard for a Model 60 Pro.
 
The Rabbi said:
I've never seen credible evidence of the locks spontaneously locking.
As far as the guns, the revolvers Smith makes today are the best ones they have ever made. The combination of better materials and better manufacturing techniques has yielded guns with trigger pulls that would have taken a lot of expensive gunsmithing in the past.
I'm past the brady hole and looking hard for a Model 60 Pro.
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Rabbi I must confess that I disagree with you. The older revolvers were of a higher quality, internally and externally than today's S&W coming off the line. I have not had one trigger job done on any of my 16 Smiths and all of them have Very Good to Outstanding trigger pulls, both DA and SA. I've also never had ONE of them lock up on me as I thoroughly maintain my firearms.

The IL is S&W's COWARDLY reaction to a non existant problem. If everyone would practice firearms safety and properly store their guns we would not have this issue.

My 870 riot loaded with OO buck will do much more damage to a human at 7 yards than any hangun cartridge and it doesn't have a lock. My mind is the lock. Neither do my Springer 1911, BHP, Sig 228, Beretta Vertec, H&K P7..... have locks on them.

If you see ONE of the IL revolvers (686) lock up as I did with 158 gr. Speer Gold Dot's .357 mags it'll make a believer out of you. Thats all it took for me to become a anti lock S&W owner/operator.

Here is an article for everyones reading concering the lock and the NRA's firearm safety rules.

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2009/09/03/
http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp

Granted it doesn't happen alot but the 1 time it does could have you 6' under.

Regards,

Roger
 
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The Rabbi said:
As far as the guns, the revolvers Smith makes today are the best ones they have ever made. The combination of better materials and better manufacturing techniques has yielded guns with trigger pulls that would have taken a lot of expensive gunsmithing in the past.
I'm past the brady hole and looking hard for a Model 60 Pro.
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That's my attitude. Very knowledgeable people like John Taffin (if you don't know who he is, your firearms background is lacking) say that the current S&W revolvers are made to tighter tolerances and with much better/stronger materials than in the past.

Yes, older ones had more hand polishing and probably better bluing but those things really drive up the price of firearms.

Joed49 wasn't complaining about those who dislike the IL, he's just commenting about the never ending IL whining threads discouraging new shooters. The search function will give them hours of "I hate the IL" discussions to browse through.

One of the purposes of this newer revolver area was to keep IL complaint threads OUT of it and that hasn't worked. Don
 
JamesArthur60 said:
I'll bet for every customer who refuses to purchase an IL revolver, five will jump at the chance. S&W will not go broke because some hard headed consumers will not buy a revolver with a built in safety feature. Personally, I prefer older made revolvers, so the IL is not an issue for me. Let's get real here. Attorney's/politicians/insurance companies rule this country. They make the rules. I'm sure it pisses off S&W that they have to place those locks on their firearms. They read the forums, they hear the bitching. They're following outlined procedures, by people wearing $2000.00 suits who probably do not and have not fired a weapon. EVER! But, you have to admit, it's still a quality made revolver with an excellent warranty.
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I only have one of the new S&W revolvers. Its a model 10-14 4 inch. I like the revolver but the gun still does not have the smooth action like my older Smiths. Your right. The politicians and attorneys own this country. Even though my model 10 has the new interlock I still have too buy a cable lock and install it when I am transporting the revolver. This is in California. It does not make sense. It really boils down to government trying to control more of our lives. To add to this post I recently bought a brand new revolver. I was looking at another L frame revolver. I have a pre-lock 686-3 4 inch. My gun store showed me a new 686P and a Ruger GP100. After handling both revolvers and thinking if I bought the 686 I would have to deal with another interlock revolver I made my decision. I bought the Ruger GP100. I also saved about $150.00. The Ruger trigger was just as good as the new 686. Now both revolvers did not have the triggers my old Smiths do. I believe those days are gone. But given the options today on new revolvers I am inclined to buy a Ruger. At least I do not have too deal with the interlock with the Rugers.
One old fellas opinion,
roaddog28
 
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Oh, goody. Not only do we have the umpteenth thousandth "I hate the lock and every product innovation since 1982" thread, but to make matters complete, we have the usual hurling of insults.
 
DonD said:
One of the purposes of this newer revolver area was to keep IL complaint threads OUT of it and that hasn't worked. Don
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Amen.

Wish I knew what the answer was but I surely don't.
 
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stevieboy said:
Gee, what's it been -- two whole weeks without an "I hate the lock and every other product change since 1982" thread? Just think, nine years of griping and Smith still manufactures and sells more revolvers than anyone else.
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That may be true, but they would sell EVEN MORE revolvers if they had no locks on them IMHO!

Like many have said, as long as there are good examples of pre-lock guns to be had, I'll stick to those.
 
stevieboy said:
Oh, goody. Not only do we have the umpteenth thousandth "I hate the lock and every product innovation since 1982" thread, but to make matters complete, we have the usual hurling of insults.
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Things at Smith went downhill when they did away with the screw by the trigger guard. Darn guns have never been the same since.
 
Smith isn't worried about those with a fetish for pre-lock firearms. I have some of both types. They all work. Those with locks have NEVER posed ANY reliability issues.
 
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