Is the trigger fix really that easy?

[quincy07]

Hey everyone.

As the title says I'm wondering if the trigger fix is really as easy as it seems. I've watched a few videos on YouTube on it and they all say pretty much the same thing. I'm just wondering tho, for a first timer doing anything like this to a gun, is it really as easy of a process as the videos make it out to be? Granted the guys that posted the videos have done it a few times I assume so I am sure they got it down pat.

Any input is appreciated.

Quincy

ETA: I am planning on just polishing the sear and removing the pigtail spring and then going from there if I still stink it's too heavy. I'm more concerned about the "grittiness" of the trigger pull which polishing the sear should eliminate.

 

[OKFC05]

Ask the guys that lost springs and are trying to get their guns fixed (S&W won't sell sear assembly parts).
They probably will give you "the rest of the story" besides the ones who say it's easy.

 

[mlk18]

Yes, it's that easy. I have done it twice now. Not losing springs is a simple matter of proper preparation and location.

 

[Ceapea]

I know that you probably have already heard something like this but, the trigger is like it is for a reason. If you don't like it, maybe the Sigma is not for you...sell it and get a gun with a "nice trigger". How many shots have you got through it? It does smooth out a bit and gets a tad easier (that or you get used to it) after several hundred to a thousand rounds. Don't have the cash to shoot a 1000, dry fire practice. There are liabilities you know for messing with (read: removing factory parts) something as important as the trigger.
Food for thought....

 

[MitchellB]

Not something you want to tackle unless you’re comfortable working with somewhat complicated mechanisms and tiny springs. You wanta get in a quite space where you can work uninterrupted for an hour or so. It probably won‘t take that long, but if you’ve never done it before it helps to be slow and cautious. The possibly of a flying spring should not be taken lightly and working in a clean area where flung parts can be recovered should also be considered. I recommend doing only a polishing job. I returned all my springs like there were removed. I bought the gun for a CCW and self defense weapon that can go into action quickly like a double action revolver. My trigger will not be pulled by accident because the springs are weak, missing or I get nervous and grip it too tightly. I did not buy this as a bull’s-eye target pistol, although it can be quite accurate if I do my part. If I were a trained LEO, I might consider a pistol with a lighter trigger than the Sigma, but I am comfortable and accustomed to DA revolver triggers and embrace the Sigma’s notoriously hated trigger.

 

[Baldy]

Put a honest 1,000rds through the pistol and if you still don't like it, sell it. That's what I made up my mind to do when I got one as a gift. At first I thought about throwing it in the river, but now I am glad I didn't. I shoot it fairly well and it's used as a truck home defense pistol now.

 

[quincy07]

I just finished and ammoleased with the results. I was working in my living room and put down a white towel on the coffe table so I could easily see the small parts easily for reassembly. I only polished the sear and removed the pigtail which made the trigger a little softer but not by much IMO. After I was don't I put the spring in ziplock bag and put it in the safe so I can reinstall it later if need be. I also dry fired it several times to make sure the trigger mechanism was operating properly.

I was using my Sigma as a ccw as well when I lived in Utah but just recently moved to Illinois so that's definitely not an option at this point so it's mainly going to be a range and home defense weapon at this point. Hopefully soon Illinois will get RTC legislation passed at which point I will more than likely reinstall the pigtail spring if I feel it needs it after I put some rounds down range.

Thanks for the responses guys.

Quincy

 

[leejack]

Welcome & enjoy your sigma.

Lee

 

[RON1955]

I misplaced my pigtail spring,not that I need it. It is a backup for the two coil springs that reset the sear. Removing mine did little for the trigger pull. I polished the sear and that removed some if not all the gritty felling in the trigger. The reason I left mine out is that the sear "housing" is made of plastic and the arms of the pigtail will wear a groove in the plastic and make the spring useless.
If for some reason I need work on the pistol I will pay for the work,fix it myself or save it for parts and buy another.
Do you think S&W will warranty a pistol that has had a home made trigger fix "polishing trigger parts", even if all the spring are left in? May or may not, just a thought.

 

[speedshooter]

I polished the sear and "lightened up the two coil springs" left the pigtail in really big difference in the "smoothness" of the pull. seems even all the way through...about 5.5-6lbs ...have about 400 rds through it since and not a problem.

 

[quincy07]

The reason I left mine out is that the sear "housing" is made of plastic and the arms of the pigtail will wear a groove in the plastic and make the spring useless.

Thats a good point. I hadn't thought about the spring wearing into the plastic housing.

I'm not concerned with whether Smith & Wesson will cover it under warranty as I bought it used and I don't think that it covered anyway. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I polished the sear and "lightened up the two coil springs" left the pigtail in really big difference in the "smoothness" of the pull. seems even all the way through...about 5.5-6lbs ...have about 400 rds through it since and not a problem.

speedshooter: what did you use to "lighten the coil springs"?

I do need to polish the sear a little bit more as it still feels slightly gritty, not nearly as bad as before tho. So I may try to find a clicker pen with a spring thats the right size and put that in while I'm at it and see how it feels.

 

[.357 mag]

Sigma have triggers like this in them because there designed that way. I've become a way better shooter because of the Sigma. I shoot all my guns stock. 8 months ago I put wolf springs in my 66-2 a within 500 rounds the springs went soft. So back to the stock springs. And you know what, I shoot it the same.

 

[blastfact]

Yes it is that simple and easy. BUT thats just the basics. One may also find S&W grit hidden in the striker safety button. One may have to do some clean up on the sear to striker interface/contact area.

S&W left a lot of things that can be tuned up concerning the Sigma. Most of which can be corrected in the China grade machine work they can produced on que at times.

You will never turn it into a race pistol. And you will never get the trigger pull down to 3 lbs. and keep it reliable. You will never get one to a fantastic reset. The trigger will still be on the heavy side. It will still stack up like a pack of fat ladys jumping on you. And it will still have a spongy tough feel.

What you will get is what S&W should have given you when they built the pistol to start with.

 

[safetyguy60]

Think about this. Use a 22lr for target shooting. Use a 12 ga for home defense. Send the Sigma to S&W and have the trigger worked on or go to a local shop. Or you could just use the Sigma for that one full mag home defense where you will be so full of adrenalin you won't the trigger anyway! Enjoy the 9E!

 

[RON1955]

Think about this. Use a 22lr for target shooting. Use a 12 ga for home defense. Send the Sigma to S&W and have the trigger worked on or go to a local shop. Or you could just use the Sigma for that one full mag home defense where you will be so full of adrenalin you won't the trigger anyway! Enjoy the 9E!

Good advice, if they are still around after 8 rounds of 12ga. 0-buckshot then get the .40 Sigma and don't worry about the trigger pull. Carry a .45ACP.

 

[quincy07]

I have a 40VE. I would love to get a Remington 870 or Mossy 500 but don't have the funds for them right now. And I don't really care for 22 pistols. I like the kick from my sigma and the way it feels in hand.

 

[speedshooter]

Thats a good point. I hadn't thought about the spring wearing into the plastic housing.

I'm not concerned with whether Smith & Wesson will cover it under warranty as I bought it used and I don't think that it covered anyway. Please correct me if I am wrong.




speedshooter: what did you use to "lighten the coil springs"?

I do need to polish the sear a little bit more as it still feels slightly gritty, not nearly as bad as before tho. So I may try to find a clicker pen with a spring thats the right size and put that in while I'm at it and see how it feels.

I took the springs out and trimmed,with a dremmel tool, off about a 1/16" of an inch. not very much ..then just really polished all the parts in the sear.. take your time and it will come out great.

 

[RON1955]

I have a 40VE. I would love to get a Remington 870 or Mossy 500 but don't have the funds for them right now. And I don't really care for 22 pistols. I like the kick from my sigma and the way it feels in hand.

Hang in there all good things come to good gun owners.
I just started adding to my collection of firearms. Lucky enough to have a good job Firefighting and a second job.

 

[KyWstJoe]

I took the springs out and trimmed,with a dremmel tool, off about a 1/16" of an inch. not very much ..then just really polished all the parts in the sear.. take your time and it will come out great.

Exactly what did you trim 1/16' off. Just curious and what did it do? Still reliable? Thanks

 

[quincy07]

Exactly what did you trim 1/16' off. Just curious and what did it do? Still reliable? Thanks

I'm curious too