Jury Duty

I've never been selected to serve but about a dozen years ago my Wife was in the pool for a murder case. Guy went to an adult movie house, stabbed and killed the clerk and stole money and videos. Was apprehended a short time later with the money, videos and blood on his clothes. (He said it was BBQ sauce). This was all reported in the media. My Wife obviously had some pre-conceived notions about the suspects guilt. I know in jury selection the attorneys ask potential jurors if they have any knowledge of the case. They are then asked if they would be able to set aside what they know and make their judgments based ONLY on the evidence presented in court. I understand that, but in a case like that, I don't really see how most people could just put aside all of that damning evidence. I know I couldn't. How would the judge deal with someone who said they couldn't do that?
By the way, Caj, who are you sending the bill for all this excellent legal advice?:D
They would be excused with thanks and rightfully so. Thee are enough people out there whio didn't see the news reports-or if not a venue change would be in order. You would be absolutely amazed at the amount of people who don't read the local papers or watch the local news. In our case-if it appears in the local paper, most people will say-and rightfully so-that the paper has never gotten anything rihgt before so why would they believe them now. But pre trial publicity is a problem. Some people can honestly put it aside and concentrate on what is oresented in Court-others can't. I tell people-you are not here to judge-you are here to objectively state whether or not the state has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that my client did X based solely on the evidence presented. If they can truthfully answer yes to that question-I'm gonna take them- cause if I am trying a case-it's either because my client is truly innocent or guilty of a lesser crime-or most often is guilty as sin and won't accept a plea in which case my job is to hold the state to their burden of proof and ensure a fair trial. Either way, I want jurors who can follow the law with no pre concieved notions or hidden agendas. I want my client to get a fair shake-that's it. It really isn't rocket science people ;).
 
I just got a letter summoning me to lay aside all business and appear in Superior Court........

I've never been on a jury before, so I don't know what to expect. Most of my co-workers are tellling me that I'll get cut loose and sent back to work before lunchtime.

The questionaire asks several strange questions...
Have I ever been the victim of a crime?
Who has my car insurance? homeowners?
Have I ever filed a suit? Had one filed against me? Etc, etc.

I think it could be very interesting, but the more I think about it, the more I find myself dreading it. If the defendant is obviously guilty, I'm going to vote guilty with a clean conscience. If it's an 80 year old granny who gets nabbed for felony habitual violator jaywalking and they're pushing for 30 years hard labor...no way, no how.

I'm afraid it'll be a weak case and marginal evidence against a really bad criminal. No matter how you vote in a situation like that, you can never be sure you've done the right thing.

In the last several years, we have had notable trials for Tonya Craft and Brent Marsh. Being dragged into the middle of something like that can instill a deep sense of dread.
 
I don't think I have ever seen CajunLawyer so serious before. I agree jury duty is very important. I have been called 3 times but never served. Twice I never had to go to Court, just call every evening to see if they needed me the next day. Boss was not happy, not knowing if I was going to be at work the next day or not. But he lived with it. One time I went to Court and got has far as the jury selection process. It was a worker's comp case for a guy with a bad back. I am an Ironworker so I know lots of people who have been injured or killed on the job. They asked me if I knew anyone who had ever had a back injury, been hurt on the job, or had collected workers comp. I said yes to all of those. They decided I was not needed. The Judge thanked me for coming and sent me back to the jury room. They let us go home about 11:00 A.M. The rest of my time I just had to call in the evening. Cajunlaywer, I would be curious what you think about jury nullification?
Thanks, Waldo.
 
In the 16th 7 out of the 8 judges will not accept a plea bargain bargan the morning or trial, it's an open plea or tee it up.

That's the way it is in my courtroom. I set a drop dead date in the case scheduling order that's a couple of weeks prior to the trial date. If they haven't done the plea agreement by that date, it's too late to do it later. I will take a cold guilty plea on all counts or nothing at all.

Louisiana Joe has a good point and, while Caj is absolutely correct about plea deals coming when Defendants see the whites of the jurors eyes, it has been my experience that the drop dead date generally avoids that problem. Believe me, those of us that work in the system really are aware of how inconvenient jury duty can be, and we really do try hard to make it as painless as possible.

As to the question posed by P@R Fan, if I get an answer like that from a potential juror, and if I believe he/she is sincere and not just jerking us around to try to get out of jury duty, he or she will be excused with my thanks. We don't ask that jurors be perfect or that they check their common sense at the courtroom door. We do ask that they answer the questions honestly and frankly and that they do the best they can, just like the rest of us.
 
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I have never been selected and the one I did want to get on the jury I was rejected. probably for arguing with both attorneys. It was a murder trial that got plead to manslaughter. An uncle and nephew were burglarizing houses and at some point the nephew killed the uncle. The defense attorney most likely didn't want me because the maximum sentence was 99 years and I asked why not the death penalty? The prosecutor probably didnt want me because apparently self defense was going to be brought up and at that time the law in TX was you had to exit the house if possible. I claimed that was a stupid law. The judge did encourage jurors to ask questions and give feedback, so I did.
 
very first words out of my mouth would be to thank the judge for inviting me and it's about time I get a chance to display my very special talent in front of others.

Judge would then ask, "What talent?"

i would answer. I have the talent to tell if a man is guilty right off the bat. Just by the space between his eyes!!
 
I've been notified for jury duty four times. The first time was federal court. I sat around for two weeks with two hundered of my best friends and never even got selected to go to jury selection. The second time was state court. I was selected the first day from the jury pool. Got a murder trial, sequestered for over two weeks. He was guilty as sin and we convicted him on 1st degree murder charges. Third time was state court. Got selected for a jury on a B & E, resisting official detention and theft of property above $60,000.00. The trial should have been over in about two days, but the defence wanted an "Expert Witness" regarding the cost of replacement glass for the curtain wall glass that was broken out during the break-in that was caught on five different video cameras. When the defence asked for a sequestered jury and a three day continuance the judge refused, thank GOD. We found the defendant guilty on all charges. The fourth time I was notified was for Shelby County circuit court. I no longer lived in Shelby County, TN and got to tell them to shove it, after I faxed them copies of my DL, HCP, mortgage papers and utilities bill proving that I no longer lived in the county. As stated above by Caj, it is a DUTY to serve and I would gladly serve again if ever notified.

Class III
 
Jury duty is fine. I've been on 4 trials. (Berks County)
My wife got picked for Federal duty in Philadelphia (Grand Jury Duty)

Every Thursday for 18 months (50+ miles one way)

She's 8 months into it

She's also the forman or whatever they call it, so she stays later than the others and delivers the inditments to judges.

My wife actually really likes it! And, I think she feels proud that she's serving her country.
 
As a member of the Judicial system and active in court trials, I dislike the jury trials and feel them to be unfair.

Let me give an example of this. I worked a case where a 15 yr old bicyclist was struck by a car and fatally injured. Testimony and evidence showed the car driver was intoxicated but driving normally, within the speed limit and the boy came out in front of him in such a close proximity to the driver that the collision could not be avoided.

Due to the driver being intoxicated, he was charged with a crime that would place him behind bars for 20+ years. I was on the stand for seven days at 7-10 hrs a day.

With instructions that I was not to mention the driver was a highly paid iron worker that had children who went to school with the deceased. I was not to mention that the deceased family was extremely poor and the driver had bought Christmas presents for the entire family just three months prior to the incident or that the driver had bought new bicycles for all the kids in that family including the one the youth was killed on. I was not to mention that the driver had a wife and four kid that would be on welfare if the man went to jail for an extended time. I was not to mention that the Sheriff's Department had been called six times in three months to the deceased for playing chicken with traffic on that bicycle. I was not to mention that the School Board had been out to visit with his family because he was holding onto the sides of the busses as he rode his bicycle to get a higher speed without pedaling. I was not to mention that the family of the deceased received $25,000 from the auto insurance of the driver.

All of these items I was not to mention was to prevent the jury from forming an opinion about the case. These were items I thought should have been told to the jury but the Judge told me I could not mention them.

What is the purpose of having a jury if they cannot hear the whole story? Give me a Bench trial where the Judge knows all the facts and the law.
 
I have been called for jury duty three times in my life, I've made it up to a courtroom to be picked a couple of times, but it didn't make it past that point. As the head Judge told us, and CajunLawyer reiterated, defendants will many times hold off on a plea until they see that there is everything in place and jury waiting to be selected, that will quite possibly hand down a much harsher sentence, for them to take a plea bargain. The judge told us that sometimes witnesses don't show up, evidence gets misplaced (more often than you might like to think), etc. The judge told us that we had performed our duty, just as surely as if we had actually been empaneled and that our service was very appreciated.

I have never attempted to get out of jury duty and never will, if I happen to be called again at some point in time, as others have said, you're not asked to do much in exchange for your citizenship in this great country of ours and it irritates me to see people try whatever they can think of to shirk this important aspect of living in the United States.
 
I've been called twice. Last time about a 100 of us sat in court while the judge explained how proud we should be to be in his court, that the system we would be participating in had been designed by him to maximize the use of his and the lawyers' valuable time.:mad: Then they herded us out to a single wide trailer that held about 20 with a feeble AC unit. We let the older folks sit in the trailer and about 80 of us stood, or sat on steps, outside in the FL summer sun. 12 were called(at least they got to go in where it was ACed) and the rest of us got to go home around 2P. No lunch either BTW.

Boy was I proud. I understand I should be happy to do my civic duty and all that stuff but reality was a whole different deal.

Bob
 
I have a friend who is a naturalized US citizen. She's been called four times in ten years. I'm 41 years old and have never been called. My wife has also never been called, nor has the husband of my friend. I'm starting to wonder just how random this selection system is....
 
Sorry, but I have had nothing but bad experiences with jury duty. Twice I have sat for days at end just waiting in a hot, stuffy room crammed with other jurors just to be be sent home or excused. The compensation is a joke but I guess the $.15 a mile made up for it.

I understand that those associated with the legal system believe in it's effectiveness and that is fine. I guess I am just not one of them. Oh, I spent six years serving my country in the military so, yes, I do believe in the concept of person's duty to serve.

This is just my opinion. I am not trying to lecture any one.
 
oldman45:

CAJ can give you specifics on LA law, but, generally, testimony must be relevant to the case. Relevance is a big deal in criminal cases and many are reversed by an appellate court when testimony about some incident not relevant is admitted.

For example, the fact that the defendant's family might suffer has nothing to do with whether the defendant did or didn't do the crime. Testimony about that might cause a jury to feel sorry for a defendant and acquit him, though they believed, beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed the crime.

So, too, might testimony that a defendant was generous and even generous towards the victim and his family. Again, nothing to do with whether he did or didn't commit the crime.

That the victim may have been reckless or careless in the past may be relevant if his conduct during the incident was similar. It depends on the facts alleged in the case.

As to the receipt of money from the insurance company, that, again, has nothing to do with whether the defendant did or didn't do the crime.

I am assuming from the facts you gave and the potential punishment that the defendant was charged with some sort of DUI Manslaughter charge. In my state, there must be causation to convict.

In the "old days" if a drunk was driving and was sitting at a red light and someone ran into the rear of his car and died-DUI Manslaughter!

About 20 years ago, our Supreme Court said that this was not acceptable. That there must be some causation-some improper driving-on the part of the defendant to convict him of DUI Manslaughter.

Don't know about LA's laws.

The issues you mention usually come up when the defendant has a bad record. Most folks think that, if he did other crimes, he probably did the one he is charged with. (Ya think?).

But, unless the crimes are what's called "Similar Fact Evidence," (in the Federal Rules and the Rules in my state) they generally are not introduced into evidence in front of the jury.

That, to me as a LEO and then a career prosecutor, was the hardest thing to understand and to deal with especially when a defendant with a horrible record sat at the table dressed in a nice suit, nice haircut, etc.

I had one case, on a Governor's Appointment over in Palm Beach County, where the defendant's wife, who claimed to have just learned she was pregnant, sat just behind the defendant and all her friends had a little "Baby Shower" for her while the trial was proceeding. They gave her diapers, little baby clothes, etc. When the Judge saw it, I thought he was gonna croak on the spot. Fortunately, the jury saw this for what it was-an attempt to garner sympathy for the defendant which had nothing to do with whether he was guilty of the crime or not.

Of course, if the defendant chooses to testify, then his prior felonies, at least the number of convictions and convictions for certain misdemeanors is fair game for me on cross examining him.

And, if the crimes he committed in the past are similar (for example, he always wore a red bandana when he committed robberies of banks) then that is the type of Similar Fact Evidence that is relevant and admissible whether he testifies or not.

Not saying the system is perfect or that it always works, but that it is simply the way the system's rules work.

Bob
 
Been called several times but never had to serve. My Sister however has served on Grand Jury several times. If ever the time presents I'mgonna remember bitstreams ploy to get a nice meal if ever approiate.
 
My Turn

Well I've been called for jury duty and need to be at the court house this coming Monday---don't know for what or for who--I'm going but not really happy about it.

Been called 4 times before--never seen a trial happen--all have been plea bargained out.

Like I said--I'm going---

Steve
 
oldman45:

CAJ can give you specifics on LA law, but, generally, testimony must be relevant to the case. Relevance is a big deal in criminal cases and many are reversed by an appellate court when testimony about some incident not relevant is admitted.

Bob

The man was charged with vehicular Homicide, which was only due to his being intoxicated. However his being intoxicated did not have any bearing on the accident. I even stated in open court, in front of the jury, that the accident would have taken place if the man had been sober and it was the actions of the deceased that caused the accident and hence his death.

The jury came back with a guilty verdict but it was appealed and the verdict was over turned based on my testimony.

Yes, he was and should have been charged with DUI. He was guilty of that. But under the law at the time, if a fatality took place with an intoxicated driver, that driver could be so charged with Vehicular homicide. An example is if a driver was intoxicated and struck from the rear while stopped for a traffic light where the offending driver or passenger was killed, then the intoxicated driver would have been charged with vehicular homicide.

The law has since been changed. This was back in 1985.

It has always been and still is my contention that the relationship with the deceased and his family was revelant to the facts of the case.
 
I just got a letter summoning me to lay aside all business and appear in Superior Court........

I've never been on a jury before, so I don't know what to expect. Most of my co-workers are tellling me that I'll get cut loose and sent back to work before lunchtime.

The questionaire asks several strange questions...
Have I ever been the victim of a crime?
Who has my car insurance? homeowners?
Have I ever filed a suit? Had one filed against me? Etc, etc.

I think it could be very interesting, but the more I think about it, the more I find myself dreading it. If the defendant is obviously guilty, I'm going to vote guilty with a clean conscience. If it's an 80 year old granny who gets nabbed for felony habitual violator jaywalking and they're pushing for 30 years hard labor...no way, no how.

I'm afraid it'll be a weak case and marginal evidence against a really bad criminal. No matter how you vote in a situation like that, you can never be sure you've done the right thing.

In the last several years, we have had notable trials for Tonya Craft and Brent Marsh. Being dragged into the middle of something like that can instill a deep sense of dread.

Don't worry-as WYO says bring your common sense with you and it will be fine.

Take a good book to jury duty.
As the brothers say "True Dat!!!!!!!!!!"

I don't think I have ever seen CajunLawyer so serious before. I agree jury duty is very important. I have been called 3 times but never served. Twice I never had to go to Court, just call every evening to see if they needed me the next day. Boss was not happy, not knowing if I was going to be at work the next day or not. But he lived with it. One time I went to Court and got has far as the jury selection process. It was a worker's comp case for a guy with a bad back. I am an Ironworker so I know lots of people who have been injured or killed on the job. They asked me if I knew anyone who had ever had a back injury, been hurt on the job, or had collected workers comp. I said yes to all of those. They decided I was not needed. The Judge thanked me for coming and sent me back to the jury room. They let us go home about 11:00 A.M. The rest of my time I just had to call in the evening. Cajunlaywer, I would be curious what you think about jury nullification?
Thanks, Waldo.
Jury nullification is one of those things that works better on TV than real life. Jurors in my experience take their duties very seriously including following the law. Those that have problems with following a particular law are weeded out during voir dire. I have heard of jury nullification, but have never seen it first hand. If we argue nullification-we will get sanctioned HARD by the trial judge-saw one lawyer get popped for the jury cost-about $4,000. for trying to argue it in spite of the judge telling him no several times. Finally granted a mistrial. Popped the lawyer for contempt ordered him to pay the cost of the jury around $4,000. and reported him to the bar association :eek: Guy was a sleezebag and eventually got disbarred cause he was caught running coke-scumbags like that are to us lawyers what the occasional scumbag (Len Davis is a good example)is to the LEO's. Gives us all a bad name-you just want them to go out to the 50 yard line and hold the targets.
Great thread BTW. Believe it or not I learn more from you guys in threads like this than you will ever know. It's always good to be scolded by the non lawyer public every so often to remind us that our ....armpit does indeed stink ;)
 

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