1944 .38 Webley & Scott

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Without intending to, over the last year I have accidentally begun to build a type collection of wartime service revolvers from the major 20th-century conflicts. When this wartime Webley became available to me at the appealing price of nothing, I jumped at the chance to add it to the collection. The other WWII examples are a .38/200 Victory and a Colt Commando.

I used to think Webleys were ugly, but I really don't think there is anything ugly about well-realized functional design. There is a kind of crude and reliable can-do aspect to these guns that appeals to me. It sure simplifies interior workings if you put part of the ejection mechanism outside the gun, not to mention that massive latch that goes over the top of the barrel assembly in front of the hammer.

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The .38/200 Mk IV was introduced in 1923 and continued in production for 40 years. In 1942 it was designated the official wartime service revolver of Great Britain. I think about half a million were made in all; this one (128508) is from 1944 according to the Webley production tables.

Were the cylinders on these guns all loose? This one seems quite sloppy, showing about 1/8" of rotational play when the action is at rest. The rotational play in the cylinder is much reduced (1/32") when the gun is cocked or in full lock-up after a DA trigger pull. I realize the play is a function of contact with the twin cylinder stops (my terminology, not Webley's), but I wonder if the stops need to be adjusted to make the gun a little less loose.

Yes, I'll shoot it. I foresee getting into the .38/200 reloading game.
 
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Cycle the action, hammer down, trigger held to the rear. The cylinder should NOT move. If it does, somethings not right.
I posted this on another thread. .38 HBWC over 3.1 grs. of Unique shoots to point of aim @ 10 yds.
IIRC. The standard load was 600fps MV. Don't shoot into the wind.
This stuff is hard to find.
 

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Oh how I love a good Webley thread. Congrats on a nice War Finish find. I have a 22, 32, 38 and 455. They are cool. Hit me back and let's do a Webley/Enfield thread to include reloading.
 
Cycle the action, hammer down, trigger held to the rear. The cylinder should NOT move. If it does, somethings not right.
I posted this on another thread. .38 HBWC over 3.1 grs. of Unique shoots to point of aim @ 10 yds.
IIRC. The standard load was 600fps MV. Don't shoot into the wind.
This stuff is hard to find.

Thanks for the recipe and the insight. With the trigger held back there is about as much endshake and rotational play as I see in some S&Ws. I feel a little sharp edge at the top of the hand, like it is worn down and peened over. I may need to replace it.
 
Oh how I love a good Webley thread. Congrats on a nice War Finish find. I have a 22, 32, 38 and 455. They are cool. Hit me back and let's do a Webley/Enfield thread to include reloading.

I'm not a reloader yet, but I know I need to become one. I hope others come out to play in this thread; I'll learn as the exchange proceeds.

This my first Webley ever, and even the first one I have ever held. Interesting machine. I may have to keep my eyes open for a .455. I don't know anything about the .22 and .32 models.
 
David-

Most Webley designs have some cylinder slop. The bolt is much thinner than the cut for it in the cylinder, as I recall.

It's been years since I owned one.

This did NOT become "THE" official British service revolver of WW II. It was AN official one, with the Enfield No. 2 being preferred issue, but probably as many Webley and S&W guns were used. More th 568,000 S&Ws alone were used. All three were eventually designated as "official".

Let us know how that old gun shoots. It looks really clean, with a better finish than some. Is it marked, "War Finish"?

I think the bore dimensions are a little more open than S&W's, where metal jacketed bullets have been known to stick in the barrel! (British issue ammo, not US lead bullets.)


T-Star
Check Amazon.com for Geoffey Boothroyd's, "The Handgun." It will answer most of your Webley questions.
 
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David-

Most Webley designs have some cylinder slop. The bolt is much thinner than the cut for it in the cylinder, as I recall.

It's been years since I owned one.

This did NOT become "THE" official British service revolver of WW II. It was AN official one, with the Enfield No. 2 being preferred issue, but probably as many Webley and S&W guns were used. More th 568,000 S&Ws alone were used. All three were eventully designated as "official".

Let us know how that old gun shoots. It looks really clean, with a better finish than some. Is it marked, "War Finish"?

I think the bore dimentions are a little more open tha S&W's, where metal jacketed bullets have been known to stick in the barrel! (British issue ammo, not US lead bullets.)


T-Star

You are dead on about the bolt; it's even a little narrower than the slot through which it passes in the frame. I can move it back and forth a little with my thumb.

Thanks for elaborating on the "official" status of this and other revolvers. I repeated uncritically something I saw on another web site, and a moment's reflection would have told me that it was an oversimplification.

Yes, "war finish." I have a few .38 S&W rounds around here somewhere. I'll post a range report as soon as I have a chance to test it out.
 
Here's some of mine.

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Enfield 455 Austrailian Navy Marked

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Pair of 38 S&W Enfields One RAF Marked Case of Original 38 Ammo

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32 S&W Long Issued To The South African Railroad Police

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22LR With Adjustable Sights

Webleys & Enfields Are A Lot Of Fun
 
Nice collection. I do own an Mark IV with Australian Army mark and An Mark V with New Zealand mark. ( I do own also an MK III .455, an MK IV in .38 s&w and an Fosbery.
I am fond of this kind of topbreak revolvers.
Can you please make a pic of the Navy mark?
 
Nice collection. I do own an Mark IV with Australian Army mark and An Mark V with New Zealand mark. ( I do own also an MK III .455, an MK IV in .38 s&w and an Fosbery.
I am fond of this kind of topbreak revolvers.
Can you please make a pic of the Navy mark?

Theur-

I always enjoy your posts! The Royal Navy property mark is usually just a deeply carved big Broad Arrow in the topstrap over the cylinder. It is sometimes rather crude.

T-Star
 
OK, Thank you. I love topbreak revolvers. When the wheater is good tomorrow I shal make a pic of my latest buy. This is a Levaux revolver in .380 rev. Made in Belgium. Thanks for the info. Greets Thuer.
 
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