whats a good practice distance?

There's some good advice above, some not that great. Here are some very basic tips: There is no magic distance or group size at which you should practice or seek to achieve. Two or three good hits in 2 seconds is better than two or three perfect hits in 4 seconds.

Recently, my younger son took his Texas CHL renewal class from me. Since the time limits are generous, the ranges are short and he is a skilled shooter, he basically shot a ragged one-hole group, with maybe 2 or 3 shots outside the 47 others. He was beaming when he finished, and I said, "Son, that sucks." "Why, Dad?" he asked. "Because, son, you obviously shot too damn slow." I'd rather see three separate holes bleeding in 1.5 seconds than one tiny 3-shot group in one hole, bleeding in 3 seconds.

Statistics (I know, lies, damn lies and statistics) tell us that most gunfights happen at zero to 3 yards, in 2.3 seconds or so, and that almost all take place in seven yards or less. I'd rather take on all contingencies, and be sure I could hit a head shot at 15 yards, and several hits to the torso in 2 seconds or less at seven yards.

To me, the very most important practice factors for self-defense shooting are these: 1) Focus; do not just plink or shoot groups, but rather practice as though the targets would shoot back, and 2)Practice variety, including shooting while moving, 2,3 and 4 shot multiples, and multiple targets. Do not get in a rut.

Reality is diverse, and while we can train for multiple scenarios, we can't predict that with which we will presented when we actually have to shoot for blood. I practice at ranges from contact to about 50 yards, with emphasis on ranges from 3 yards to 10, but I want to be able to shoot much farther accurately, given enough time.
 
thanks for the advise fellows,i was going about some things all wrong for sure. going to try some of the advise out and see how my SELF DEFENSE shooting goes then.i looked at it from the view point of like any other gun you shoot-try to get as close to the bulls eye as possible .
 
Just to add a different situation....you have a bad guy coming at you armed with a pistol, knife whatever, you take him out at about the traditional 7 yards or less...good, what you practice all the time. Well, low and behold here come two of his buddies, armed with a rifle and a shotgun....25 to 50 yards...and you with no cover or retreat...are you going to wait till they get into your 7 yard comfort zone? Your are dead or wounded at best. Practice at longer yardages...get comfortable with it...sure your nice 7 yard groups will suffer but they will get better and you will learn a lot...and your new 7 yard shots will amaze you.
 
I've seen alot of guys burn thru 100 rounds of 9mm or .40 caliber in 15 minutes and exit with a target that looks like it was hit with buck shot.

I would throw out that alot of people would do well to shoot a couple hundred rounds of .22 caliber each trip to the range.

I have seen much improvement in accuracy across the board over time, and I give all the credit to my Model 17.

Nothing like trying to master that S+W trigger in DA and not worry about the ammo bill.
 
Just to add a different situation....you have a bad guy coming at you armed with a pistol, knife whatever, you take him out at about the traditional 7 yards or less...good, what you practice all the time. Well, low and behold here come two of his buddies, armed with a rifle and a shotgun....25 to 50 yards...and you with no cover or retreat...are you going to wait till they get into your 7 yard comfort zone? Your are dead or wounded at best. Practice at longer yardages...get comfortable with it...sure your nice 7 yard groups will suffer but they will get better and you will learn a lot...and your new 7 yard shots will amaze you.

While I don't want to discourage occasional long-range practice, we can "what if" ourselves into mind-numbing confusion. Regarding the above situation:

Just as one doesn't bring a knife to a gunfight, one doesn't bring a handgun to a gunfight, either.

I carry a five-round snubbie, so trying to win a fight against two guys with longarms at range isn't in the cards. I'll be exercising my "run like hell" skills, not my marksmanship skills. Most folks can't hit a rapidly-moving target, and rapidly moving I will certainly be.
 
my scientific method

This 37, which is now as pretty as it is tight, was inspected, cleaned and lubed. It is the first J frame I had ever shot. My other revolver that I have kept is a K frame 357 4". I shoot the K frame anywhere from 7 to 25, and before hunting season I will shoot a few out to about 40 yards or so.
I just use discarded paper plates and mark a somewhat centered bullseye. The paper plate in the picture is from that 37 at 10 yards. The first shot was SA and hit pretty much in the center. The other 4 were DA fired as quickly as I could get it back down on the target. To me this is just fine for SD purposes. I was using 158 gr. standard pressure LRN .38's. It was the first 5 shots I made with the gun and with practice the groups have improved greatly. It made me feel good to do that well right off the bat. For SD I say 7 to 10 yards is good and work on not sighting, it is easier than you might think with a little practice. Hope this helps. My wife won't let me use a new plate, she's quite frugal.:p I hope that is not a bad thing.:eek:
Peace,
gordon
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i appreciate what you are saying. I only meant that those kind of situations do arise and if you are not prepared you are in a world of hurt. If you are at the range and are going to bust caps, why not extend yourself and practice for another situation. I see guys at the range that feel comfortable within their "comfort range"...and they do not want to go beyond that because they may look bad to their buddies. And, like I said, you can't bug out because you do not have cover. Just an in you mind set practice thing. If you get too comfortable someone or something will come along and make you very ,very uncomfortable.
 
i appreciate what you are saying. I only meant that those kind of situations do arise and if you are not prepared you are in a world of hurt. If you are at the range and are going to bust caps, why not extend yourself and practice for another situation. I see guys at the range that feel comfortable within their "comfort range"...and they do not want to go beyond that because they may look bad to their buddies. And, like I said, you can't bug out because you do not have cover. Just an in you mind set practice thing. If you get too comfortable someone or something will come along and make you very ,very uncomfortable.


That is exactly what will happen if you are in battle and shoot at someone.

It is also what you would expect if you shoot a cop.

I can't remember hearing of that situation in ordinary citizen life and I can't imagine anyone on this blog shooting at cops.
 
I typed "caps" not "cops". What the heck is this about shooting cops? I'm done with this.
 
7-10 yards. Paper plates, 8-inch iron knock-downs in a row, half-size iron silhouette knock-downs scattered. Over and over.

Am I good? Mmm - gettin' better.
 
I like following the same thing Texas requires for the CHL test; 20 rounds at 3 yards, 20 at 7 yards and 10 at 15 yards. I follow this ratio with both my snubbie .38 and 9mm Sigma. Seems to give me a good mix while trying to get these old eyes to focus at different ranges.
 
A good practice distance

25 yards
50 feet [17 1/2 feet]
3 to 10 yards
According to police records must shootings are dun at
3 to 10 feet.
It all depends on weather you shoot for recreation or self-defence.
 
I don't think it's been mentioned here... Be sure to practice one hand shooting with either hand. It's real easy to want to shoot with your "good" hand and not your other. Doesn't have anything to do with distance but thought I would add that into the discussion.
 
I’m not offering anything new here – just summing up a few ideas:
1. My Ohio CCW Course requires proof of competency at 21 feet. So that is my primary practice range. I also shoot at varying distances out to 50 yards, and as close as 1 foot.
2. 90% of my shooting at 21 feet are double-taps, spot shooting. The same holds true for distances under 21 feet; 2 yards, 4 yards, etc...
3. At 1 foot, 3 to 5 rounds as soon as I clear my holster, from the hip, as fast as I can pull the trigger.
4. While I have been lax practicing on the move, shooting while walking at a diagonal to or away from multiple targets really messes with your mind. Try it …
5. Load your SD/HD weapons with quality ammo designed specifically for SD/HD, not hunting. I carry what my local Sheriff’s Department carries – Gold Dot +P.
6. Practice with your SD/HD rounds also, not just the WWB from Wally World.
7. Practice, practice, practice . . .
 
Most incidents occur within 5-10 yds. I practice at 3-5 yds, then move back to 5-7, increase the distance to 10 then 15. I repeat for each gun I have with me and the last magazine or cylinder is moving toward the target. I also make it a point to double tap from the holstered position this way i reinforce muscle memory. It is what I feel works for me. Go with what is comfortable for you.
 
progress i think

went with a paper plate and just focused on getting the shots on the plate. also slowed way down between shots .still caught myself pulling the trigger at times which dropped the barrel down and resulted in a way low hit.but over all i could see some improvement.:)
 

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Human anatomy is funny. Well at least the spelling and pronunciation of anatomical features are curious. Imagine the center of a Zombie’s chest. The Sternum (breast bone) lies right down the midline. At the bottom of the sternum is the Ziphoid process (also spelt Xiphoid).
The Ziphoid Process would be about Center Mass of the torso. That is your Spot Shooting target.
Based on the attached picture of your paper plate, being a few inches off of exact center is not necessarily a bad thing. Your shots would have hit the Heart, Lungs, Spinal Column, Spleen, Liver, Aorta, Vena Cava, Trachea, Esophagus, etc., etc... Many of your shots were Kill Shots ! Would the Zombie have fallen immediately, dead to the ground ? I don’t know; but you certainly would have gotten his attention.
 
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Ya, but I thought the only way to kill a Zombie was a head shot? :confused:

At least according to "Resident Evil" LOL! :D
 
Ya, but I thought the only way to kill a Zombie was a head shot? :confused:

At least according to "Resident Evil" LOL! :D

lmao ... maybe a solid double-tap to the chest, severing the aorta and the vena cava, just "po" Zombie's. I dunno for sure.

Devil's Playground - Death Valley ?
 
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