M&P 15-22 Performance Center Model
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I figured it was in jest. That's why I added the cartoon. Uncle Sugar will get the money, no matter what.
But let's get out and punch some holes in paper or get some dinner.
But let's get out and punch some holes in paper or get some dinner.
Hobie1
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I'm In!
I apologize as I was in crotchety old fart mode.
My lovely child-bride and I are going out to the range soon and have a challenge match....
Regards and have an enjoyable next couple of weeks.
Hobie
I apologize as I was in crotchety old fart mode.
My lovely child-bride and I are going out to the range soon and have a challenge match....
Regards and have an enjoyable next couple of weeks.
Hobie
I actually contacted Smith when I first posted this and at first they stated I was mistaken and that there was no performance model. After I said I will scan the picture and email it to him he said wait a second let me go talk to the performance center dept. He then stated that the manual should not have been released and that there is not definite performance center model at this time. He also stated the specs for such a rifle is not set in stone and he could not give me a time frame of any type model. This may be a future mode. On a side note if it has what appears to be a fluted barrel it would eliminate me from CMP sporter competition at this time.
Hobie1
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C S erratic?
I don't understand how there is such disparity. I also contacted S&W cust. serv. a couple of weeks ago when this thread first appeared. I was told the release date and MSRP. I then went to Gil Hebard Guns(309-289-2700) and talked to my friends there and they confirmed that there was a PC model coming out in January. Last friday I was back there and saw the full color flyer spec sheet also stating a January release date and all the aforementioned features. I haven't got a firm price yet but I could order one if I want.
I just don't know what to think about this whole thing.
One thing I'm sure of..... Merry Christmas to all of you!
Hobie
I don't understand how there is such disparity. I also contacted S&W cust. serv. a couple of weeks ago when this thread first appeared. I was told the release date and MSRP. I then went to Gil Hebard Guns(309-289-2700) and talked to my friends there and they confirmed that there was a PC model coming out in January. Last friday I was back there and saw the full color flyer spec sheet also stating a January release date and all the aforementioned features. I haven't got a firm price yet but I could order one if I want.
I just don't know what to think about this whole thing.
One thing I'm sure of..... Merry Christmas to all of you!
Hobie
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I just don't know what to think about this whole thing.
Hobie
You should have been around for the saga of the 1522 short mag.
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Sorry I missed it!
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Another issue to consider if the Performance Center rifle is to be used for competition is it looks like the front sight is mounted on the forend like the other models. If using a sling with the sling swivel attached to the forend this would result in poor/inconsistent sight alignment. I actually found a mount that attaches to the barrel that will allow me to mount the front sight to it. Still working on if this is the answer to improved accuracy as I just installed it. Also wonder if the position of this would effect barrel harmonics and accuracy. (for the better depending on placement). I am hoping to set it up just like my AR service rifle (distances/aperture size) for low cost indoors practice solution.
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for the price of that version id rather just buy a spikes tactical as its mil spec and far better made
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Don't get me wrong, Spikes makes wonderful equipment so I've read, but have you even seen, let alone HANDLED the new performance model to make this statement? Do you know the exact specs of what the new PC model entails? I'll bet both answers are no.
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well for a start its not mil spec the spikes is, no doubt the new pc is sweet just saying for the price theres better out there good thing about the other m&p15-22s is the price
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What makes mil-spec better (in a 22lr)? It just means that mil-spec parts fit it and for those particular 22lr uppers, it just means they're gonna fit a standard mil-spec lower.
That is what the military wanted when they came up with the TDP (Technical Data Package); parts that would perform reliably under combat conditions and fit multiple platforms, not what was the best parts you could fit on an AR. And those materials, measurements and quality control testing are all part of the TDP which give the blueprint to what goes onto/into a "mil-spec" firearm. That makes it so all sorts of different platforms have interchangeable parts which makes life much easier while in battle and when you're trying to make sure not to run outta certain parts and having to stock too many different kinds of parts.
To the common shooter, (well to me anyhow) all it means is that you know mil-spec parts should fit, not that it's gonna be more accurate. I sure know that I'm not blowing through 200 rounds in just a few seconds so some of the mil-spec testing doesn't even really apply to non-full-auto firearms...Although I'd love to have a full auto.
Honestly, the term "mil-spec" is so over-used and misunderstood to the point it garners the same disdain from me as the term "epic fail".
As for the Spikes, the price of just their uppers go for $560. You'd still need all the other goodies to buy just to shoot it...plus they also call their barrel "match quality", not match grade. And I've just talked to too many people who didn't like their conversion kits to ever consider putting one on my Stag AR which is why we went with the M&P.
The 15-22pc model was built from the ground up as a dedicated high-end 22lr platform that has two stage trigger, nice grip, match grade barrel and chamber along with other goodies. I'd take a match grade barrel and chamber over being able to stick a 22lr upper onto my mil-spec lower any day.
I'm not doggin Spikes, they make great AR's. I'm just sayin, in this case, for a high-end 22lr, I don't think a mil-spec upper stuck in an AR lower can compete with two stage triggers, match grade barrels and chambers and nice grips along with being manufactured as a dedicated platform...but that's just me and my .02.
And it's only the receiver and charge handle that are mil-spec on the spike's, it's actually "mil-spec featured", not mil-spec as to my understanding of the term mil-spec.
That is what the military wanted when they came up with the TDP (Technical Data Package); parts that would perform reliably under combat conditions and fit multiple platforms, not what was the best parts you could fit on an AR. And those materials, measurements and quality control testing are all part of the TDP which give the blueprint to what goes onto/into a "mil-spec" firearm. That makes it so all sorts of different platforms have interchangeable parts which makes life much easier while in battle and when you're trying to make sure not to run outta certain parts and having to stock too many different kinds of parts.
To the common shooter, (well to me anyhow) all it means is that you know mil-spec parts should fit, not that it's gonna be more accurate. I sure know that I'm not blowing through 200 rounds in just a few seconds so some of the mil-spec testing doesn't even really apply to non-full-auto firearms...Although I'd love to have a full auto.
Honestly, the term "mil-spec" is so over-used and misunderstood to the point it garners the same disdain from me as the term "epic fail".
As for the Spikes, the price of just their uppers go for $560. You'd still need all the other goodies to buy just to shoot it...plus they also call their barrel "match quality", not match grade. And I've just talked to too many people who didn't like their conversion kits to ever consider putting one on my Stag AR which is why we went with the M&P.
The 15-22pc model was built from the ground up as a dedicated high-end 22lr platform that has two stage trigger, nice grip, match grade barrel and chamber along with other goodies. I'd take a match grade barrel and chamber over being able to stick a 22lr upper onto my mil-spec lower any day.
I'm not doggin Spikes, they make great AR's. I'm just sayin, in this case, for a high-end 22lr, I don't think a mil-spec upper stuck in an AR lower can compete with two stage triggers, match grade barrels and chambers and nice grips along with being manufactured as a dedicated platform...but that's just me and my .02.
And it's only the receiver and charge handle that are mil-spec on the spike's, it's actually "mil-spec featured", not mil-spec as to my understanding of the term mil-spec.
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the performance center is mil spec. also does anyone know if a 25rd mag would work. because the dealer i bought mine from said it would put to much tension on the laney chamber. also S&W customer service didnt know.
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OK so now I'm really puzzled. How would the magazine affect the chamber. 10 round, 25 round, or 2000 round, all the magazine does is present a new round in the correct position inside the receiver so the bolt can pick it up and run it up the feed ramp into the chamber.
One of us is a bit confused, might be me. But I can't see how the mag could affect the chamber.
One of us is a bit confused, might be me. But I can't see how the mag could affect the chamber.
Sounds like your dealer has a case of Idoesnthavethatitemites and thinks you should buy this item that I DO have.
Find a new dealer
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M&P Performance Center 15-22
Saw a young kid at the range to day with one. It had Performance Center in large letters on the side,threaded 18" fluted barrel with Vitor stock,he was having problems with it ejecting, I took the bolt out and the extractor was completely gone from the rifle...i have no idea how it was ejectin the few shells it was ejecting, It told him to return it to S&W and have a new extractor installed..I guess the blowback pressure was ejecting a shell every now and then somehow..???
Saw a young kid at the range to day with one. It had Performance Center in large letters on the side,threaded 18" fluted barrel with Vitor stock,he was having problems with it ejecting, I took the bolt out and the extractor was completely gone from the rifle...i have no idea how it was ejectin the few shells it was ejecting, It told him to return it to S&W and have a new extractor installed..I guess the blowback pressure was ejecting a shell every now and then somehow..???
FATNBAD
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M&P Performance Center 15-22
Can,t say about the chamber,but it had a 18" fluted barrel,threaded with a protector on the end..i placed my A-1 Style comp over it and the barrel was longer..and it had Performance Center stamped on the side or cut,what ever you would call it.
Can,t say about the chamber,but it had a 18" fluted barrel,threaded with a protector on the end..i placed my A-1 Style comp over it and the barrel was longer..and it had Performance Center stamped on the side or cut,what ever you would call it.
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