Yes, from what I've read about .22 rifle vs pistol velocities that would be an accurate guess.
Best Self Defense Ammo .22?
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Yes, from what I've read about .22 rifle vs pistol velocities that would be an accurate guess.
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all this data aside...i will still keep my HK USP full of Hornady nearby...i will save the .22 for raccoons/possums/beercans
Agreed, the boogie man gets 00 buck if he wants to come inside.
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Yep. Buck from me a .45 hollows from my wife. Front sight on pistol is in process of being replaced lol
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Yep. Buck from me a .45 hollows from my wife. Front sight on pistol is in process of being replaced lol
USP! Excellent choice!! I LOOOOOOVE my .40 compact--added the HK factory Green Dots to mine--
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A .22, used by a cool shot can work beyond its size. I have seen quite a few instances as a LEO where it did. Not to say something bigger wouldn't be better, but still....
Whenever I see these .22 for self defense threads, I always think back to the President Reagan shooting, and the way people were dropping like flies at the shots. Then again, tough old Reagan didn't even know he was shot...
Larry
Whenever I see these .22 for self defense threads, I always think back to the President Reagan shooting, and the way people were dropping like flies at the shots. Then again, tough old Reagan didn't even know he was shot...
Larry
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while I have a mossy 500 by my bead and a 40s&w an .357mag in the night stand all of my .22s are loaded with CCi Stingers and Aquilla Supper max. Just incase thay happen to be the closest. Ofcorse the 30-30 is anouther option 
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After looking at Gelatin results at brassfetcher.com, I would go with either the CCI Velocitors or Aguila SSS (assuming that they function reliably in your rifle of course). The Velocitors have a nice balance of expansion and penetration. The SSS penetrates deeply and yaws/tumbles once and should do a fair bit of damage. Reliability is the single most important factor though, and if you have any malfunctions with them then you need to try something else. If I was 100% betting my life on a 22 rim-fire I would likely invest in some very good Lapua / RWS / etc Biathlon or other competition ammo. You might pay $8-15 a box of 50, but it should be about the most reliable rim-fire ammo that you can buy.
Personally I don't see anything wrong with a 22 LR rifle used in a defensive role in a very limited set of circumstances (people with limited hand strength, need to limit penetration of missed shots as much as possible, etc). The big advantage is that you can afford to practice a lot with it and get good. There was a time when all that I had was an Iver Johnson TP22, and religiously shot a minimum of 500 rounds a week with it. You have to plan to make multiple neck and face shots, fast, under stress and in bad lighting 100% of the time.
That said, under normal circumstances a 22 would not be my first choice though. I would bet that if you crawl the pawn shops you can pick up an ugly used Mossberg / Revelation / New Haven 500/600 pump in 12 or 20 gauge for around $100-125.
Personally I don't see anything wrong with a 22 LR rifle used in a defensive role in a very limited set of circumstances (people with limited hand strength, need to limit penetration of missed shots as much as possible, etc). The big advantage is that you can afford to practice a lot with it and get good. There was a time when all that I had was an Iver Johnson TP22, and religiously shot a minimum of 500 rounds a week with it. You have to plan to make multiple neck and face shots, fast, under stress and in bad lighting 100% of the time.
That said, under normal circumstances a 22 would not be my first choice though. I would bet that if you crawl the pawn shops you can pick up an ugly used Mossberg / Revelation / New Haven 500/600 pump in 12 or 20 gauge for around $100-125.
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As stated before...dont discount a .410 with the right loadout--i have seen what the PDX ammo can do to steel at close range--not as dramatic as a 12 but might be more economical
Think thast the point here is--eat bologna sandwiches for a week or two and scratch together $150 and get a shotgun instead of staking your safety on a .22 longterm
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A .22 LR handgun has been and is being used by our U.S. military special forces. This example from a special 50-pistol Mk II overrun from a Ruger contract with the Navy SEALs is a case in point. This gun was manufactured in 1987. The receiver/barrel is stainless with a black phosphate finish; the bolt, trigger and medallion on the right grip are also blackened. The base for the front sight is thinner than standard, probably to accept a slip-on-and-twist bayonet-mount style suppressor. No special markings were requested by the SEALs. If a suppressor was used, I suspect subsonic ammo was employed.
This gun provides a good way to take down sentries with a shot to the base of the skull - it's also very good for covert assassinations. Don't sell the .22LR short; for certain purposes it's ideal.
John
This gun provides a good way to take down sentries with a shot to the base of the skull - it's also very good for covert assassinations. Don't sell the .22LR short; for certain purposes it's ideal.
John
Chrono info. for Aguila Interceptor HP vs. Solid point
I got around to running some Aguila Interceptor HP vs Solid point thru the chronograph. It is the round of choice for my S&W semi-auto pistols. They shoot the round quite well. Over a thousand rounds each and going strong. I don't shoot the Interceptor as much as I did 2yrs. ago as range ammo. But, I run thru 100 rounds every now and then. I'm posting this because I don't see much chrono info. posted about the Interceptor thru 3-4.5 inch pistol/revolvers. Your mileage may vary, but it shots great for me from a rifle or pistol.
July17, 2010
Temp: 94 degree
Hum: 59% - Elevation 650 -750ft above sea level
Partly Cloudy
Firearms – NEF R92 Ultra 9 shot 4 inch barrel 22LR revolver, S&W 422 4.5 inch barrel, S&W 2214 3 inch barrel.
Testing distance for revolvers/pistols – 12ft.
Ten shots each.
Ammunition chrono –
Aguila Interceptor 40gr. Hollow-Point and Solid 22LR(1470 fps)
S&W 422 – 4.5 inch barrel
(Hollow Point)
High – 1175 fps
Low - 1125 fps
Avg. - 1153 fps
(Solid)
High – 1185 fps
Low - 1090 fps
Avg. - 1121 fps
S&W 2214 - 3 inch barrel
(Hollow Point)
High – 1077 fps
Low - 1021 fps
Avg. - 1047 fps
(Solid)
High – 1049 fps
Low - 962 fps
Avg. - 1004 fps
NEF R92 Ultra 4 inch barrel
(Hollow Point)
High – 1054 fps
Low - 986 fps
Avg. - 1020 fps
(Solid)
High - 1035 fps
Low - 895 fps
Avg. - 968 fps
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A .22 LR handgun has been and is being used by our U.S. military special forces. This example from a special 50-pistol Mk II overrun from a Ruger contract with the Navy SEALs is a case in point. This gun was manufactured in 1987. The receiver/barrel is stainless with a black phosphate finish; the bolt, trigger and medallion on the right grip are also blackened. The base for the front sight is thinner than standard, probably to accept a slip-on-and-twist bayonet-mount style suppressor. No special markings were requested by the SEALs. If a suppressor was used, I suspect subsonic ammo was employed.
This gun provides a good way to take down sentries with a shot to the base of the skull - it's also very good for covert assassinations. Don't sell the .22LR short; for certain purposes it's ideal.
John
oh i am not one to sell ANY firearm short--but a Ruger in the hands of an operator on Seal Team 6 and one in my hands at 3am when groggy from being awoken isnt quite the same thing
Any firearm is better than nothing--true--a BRICK is better than NOTHING...the point is a 22LR isnt IDEAL for defense...it will work if its all you have but if you are serious about defendse then a 22 WONT be all you have...
Also--that is a GORGEOUS Ruger!! a Mark? is my next purchase i have decided
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I think the gov't needs to let us scientists use Death Row inmates instead of ballistic gelatin, we'll get invaluable data!
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propose this in Texas! +1
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As a boy I toured a horse slaughterhouse in Kansas City. They used a short, very heavy barrel device to shoot a 22LR short into the head of the horse. The notion that a 22LR will not penetrate the skull is nonsense. As has been mentioned in many of the posts, the ammo of choice should be the most reliable in your hands and weapon with which you shoot most accurately. Practice moving targets, low light and all the rest and perfect shot placement. I would rather be defended by an expert marksman with a 22LR rifle than a hacker with a 44 magnum.
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I agree on the potential of the .410, but I have seen a couple pumps that are very finicky with some of the 'Judge' loads so I am hesitant to recommend the combo to someone on a budget. I am trying to troubleshoot a 500 .410 for a friend right now that is perfectly reliable with regular shotgun ammo, but when shooting the Federal 4-pellet OO (or is it OOO??) load it will sometimes let one slip past the shell stop and drop to the ground when cycling the action. It has to be something with a minor change in rim diameter or thickness to make it work better in one of the 5 shot cylinders, but I have to find my calipers so that I can measure them out properly.
When they do cycle though the patterns are great. It will consistently put 4 pellets in about 14 inches at 25 yards.
