Ogandydancer
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The No carry in financial institutions and schools.
State Concealed carry gun laws
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I'm from Illinois. Enough said.
jtpur
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Agreed. You might be interested to know that now in Texas when you renew your CHL, if you do so on line, you will receive a notice in the mail that the State will try to use your previously submitted fingerprints. Try? Because they may not be found. They may not be legible anymore because of the ink used> They may get rejected by some technician at the FBI who doesnt want to bother with them...But I have had a few renewals come through who not only had their previous prints used, but also had their on file photograph reused. Instructors will be able to renew on line and have an Instructor qualify them. I see on line classes soon for renewals......but that will mean less money for us CHL instructors but frankly I did not become a CHL Instructor to get rich, I became one to promote CHL and make it as easy as possible under existing law to obtain one and have fun doing it. I think my classes are fun and outstanding.....just sayin
scooter123
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Personally, I'm very much in Favor of Notification. I've stared down the barrel of a handgun two times in my life, fortunately for me they were criminals not inclined to shoot as long as I gave up my cash without any resistance.
My concern is rather basic. What happens when a Police Officer observes that you are carrying a handgun concealed. IMO they are NOT going to assume you have a permit and are one of the good guys, they are going to assume that you are a criminal who may shoot them. Which means that in short order you'll be staring down the barrel of that police officers duty weapon and in many cases that may be a Glock with a trigger a lot more prone to an AD than an old fashioned double action revolver. In a state like Michigan, which actually has some rather stringent standards for who gets a permit, handing that permit tells that police officer that you've actually passed a pretty extensive background check and met every requirement. Basically, handing over that permit tells the police officer that he's facing one of the "good citizens" not some garden variety thug.
Personally, what I'd like to see changed is that Hospitals are Gun Free Zones for those with a permit. I've been having problems this week with pressure in my ears due to a combination of late summer allergies and very small Eustation tubes. So, I had to go see my doctor who's office is in an outbuilding for one of the local hospitals. Had to lock the gun in my car and that is something I just do NOT like to do. Bad enough to have a car stolen but to arm the thief is something I just would hate to see happen. Ended up with a scrip for Sudafed and if that doesn't clear my ears the next stop will be an ENT doc for possibly drains in my eardrums. BTW, purchasing Sudafed today is nearly as difficult as purchasing a firearm, at one point I fully expected the Phamacist to call in an NICS background check.
My concern is rather basic. What happens when a Police Officer observes that you are carrying a handgun concealed. IMO they are NOT going to assume you have a permit and are one of the good guys, they are going to assume that you are a criminal who may shoot them. Which means that in short order you'll be staring down the barrel of that police officers duty weapon and in many cases that may be a Glock with a trigger a lot more prone to an AD than an old fashioned double action revolver. In a state like Michigan, which actually has some rather stringent standards for who gets a permit, handing that permit tells that police officer that you've actually passed a pretty extensive background check and met every requirement. Basically, handing over that permit tells the police officer that he's facing one of the "good citizens" not some garden variety thug.
Personally, what I'd like to see changed is that Hospitals are Gun Free Zones for those with a permit. I've been having problems this week with pressure in my ears due to a combination of late summer allergies and very small Eustation tubes. So, I had to go see my doctor who's office is in an outbuilding for one of the local hospitals. Had to lock the gun in my car and that is something I just do NOT like to do. Bad enough to have a car stolen but to arm the thief is something I just would hate to see happen. Ended up with a scrip for Sudafed and if that doesn't clear my ears the next stop will be an ENT doc for possibly drains in my eardrums. BTW, purchasing Sudafed today is nearly as difficult as purchasing a firearm, at one point I fully expected the Phamacist to call in an NICS background check.
Louisiana does not have too much restriction with hospitals other than government owned or mental. If it is a private hospital, carry is legal.
Both the NRA and the SAF have lawsuits working their way thru the courts
NRA-ILA :: NRA Files Suit Against Unconstitutional Ban on Carrying Firearms for Self-Defense in Illinois
http://saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=357
Still doesn't make sense. You're still carrying [otherwise] legally, and presumably identify yourself before asking questions. Even if you don't, so what? Friends of criminals are allowed to assault you and expect only unarmed response? Any time you can surprise a criminal and terminate his antisocial activities, it is a postive contribution. If it's a surprise, it's an even greater contribution, because it introduces uncertainty into his livelihood. LEO's should carry concealed if they want to, just like everyone else.
We don't have that problem in MA (VERY few places are off limits, other than schools and some gov't buildings), but you might still want to be careful around MRI equipment, one of the few devices known to defeat the C*** Series 80 safety.
In Arizona, even CCW holders are not permitted to carry concealed on college campuses. A law that would permit CCW holders to carry on campus was passed by our legislators, but our governor (Jan Brewer) vetoed it. Until now, she has been very pro-gun. School "gun-free" zones are simply victim disarmament zones, a common sense fact often lost on politicians of all stripes. We'll keep working on this. A CCW holder is no less trustworthy when on campus than off.
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jtpur
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Yes, now in Texas fingerprints are taken electronically and only electronically. but folks who are renewing had their prints submitted the old fashioned ink way, when they got their permits 4 or 5 years ago. The electronic way has only been mandated and in effect since 3/11/11.....
Ummm, Open Carry? 
I am retired 8 years so I am out of the loop. I assume you know that NYPD is 20 years behind in technology right? When I left 8 years ago, Highway cops were just starting to get computers in their cars, the "tough book". Most RMP's (patrol cars) still didnt even have an MDT, which was in every LAPD RMP since at least the early 90's. I think it was the early 90's where we had a latent print unit where Detectives examined prints with a magnifying glass, not computers.
So I will assume you retired from NYPD. That being the case, where does the NYPD spend their money? Are the high ups well paid or is there a lot of waste in the department? Grant money funds many things like laptops, overtime, special op units and other things. There is no excuse for a major department to not have the up to date things most departments take for granted. This is especially the case with a department covering the massive amount of area and people that are in NYC.
miles71
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Yup. As a school teacher, even in a good county in Md., I can tell you some things happen that would surprise many. Schools are basically little towns and have some of the same issues. I would have to really think about CCW during a school day, but after school activities and other events, if you got the permit why not? Isnt the "No Guns in School" a federal thing?
I have always felt, even though it is a right we should all have, a certain training level should be attained to CCW. If you have gone through the training, and it was basically equal to a LEO training, carry should be legal anywhere without restriction. Also, wouldnt it be cool if the nation had a min. training requirement so all states could recognize that training for CCW? I know, this is crazy talk........
It would be interesting to see some stats on locations of violent crime/incidents and how it corralates with restricted CCW locations. Could be interesting............
Here in Md. it is VERY difficult to get a CCW permit and even when you do about 99.9% of the state seems to be "Gun Free" zones. I just hope this state, and others in the same situation, changes its views soon.
jtpur
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Yeah but you guys went to dark blue shirts.......look rather snappy too....its ashame that a premier PD has such low tech equipment. That one must blame on the managers. they are more worried about political correctness than what the troops need on the street because those fools could not find the street if they tripped over a vagrant and landed face first on the street.
boxerrider
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Campus Carry
Texas just passed a parking lot bill that will allow a lot of people to keep their carry piece in their locked vehicle without fear of being fired. Unfortunately school employees, contracted employees and a few others are exempt from the bill. This means I do a lot of driving unarmed.
Hopefully they'll get campus carry through next time and include K-12 in it as well.
Enjoy!
Texas just passed a parking lot bill that will allow a lot of people to keep their carry piece in their locked vehicle without fear of being fired. Unfortunately school employees, contracted employees and a few others are exempt from the bill. This means I do a lot of driving unarmed.
Hopefully they'll get campus carry through next time and include K-12 in it as well.
Enjoy!
AFAIK, that got shot down within the last few years, or modified, or both. However, most states have something like it.
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