At the mercy of your expertise

[skiphreak]

The bug has bit me. Recently purchased an m&p 9mm as my second handgun, not long after purchasing my first; the m&p 22. Needless to say I am enjoying shooting quite a bit

A long-winded post and a few in-depth questions so I will appreciate any replies.

Looking for advice on a few things regarding the 9mm and have found this the best source. Thus far I have shot UMC and WWB. Also picked up some federal champion which I am going to try soon.

My question though regards Sellier and Bellot 115 gr FMJ which I have found on sale locally for 9.99 a box. I've been reading very mixed things on the web about this ammo regarding how hot the load is. I have found info saying that these rounds are loaded significantly hotter. Some sources saying it is equivalent to +P. Some saying it equivalent to +P+. Some saying NATO spec. Some saying far hotter than any +P+ that they have ever shot.

SAAMI vs CIP standards? Is all European 9mm ammo(Sellier and Bellot and Fiocchi in particular) loaded hotter? Say to the equivalent of our +P? or +P+?

My biggest concern is I in no way want to cause accelerated wear on my gun and it sounds like a steady diet of +P can do such? How about different weight recoil springs different from that of the factory spring which I understand is 16#? Is it something worth changing on the days you shoot hotter ammo as in +P? or NATO? or simply the Sellier and Bellot?

***I also saw one valid sounding argument against changing springs***

Saying that yes a stiffer recoil spring may slow slide blowback for hotter loads but that it also slams that slide forward that much harder. Validity?

***Again my biggest concern is that I do not want to cause premature or accelerated wear on my gun. Is sellier and bellot ok to use in that aspect. With only a factory recoil spring???

 

[Bluelou]

S&b ammo is good stuff.I don't think it's loaded any hotter then say Winchester white box.leave your spring the way it is your gun will not be hurt.good luck and good shooting.

 

[Armed Babysitter]

Yep, what Bluelou said. The only reason I don't run Sellier & Bellot more often in my gun is because it doesn't stay on the shelf for very long at my favorite local shop.

 

[Titegroups]

You may want to give them a call and ask. Way too many "experts" on the internet. If you try different brands you'll find it varies, but I don't think you'll find anything too hot to run in your gun. I wouldn't worry about it unless your buying something marketed as +P, in that case I wouldn't feed it a steady diet of them.

 

[vista461]

S&B is fine. The first 200 or so rounds thru my M&P9Pro were s&b. I didn't notice much if any difference in recoil between S&B and federal I usually run in it. S&B isn't +p.

 

[Armed Babysitter]

I wouldn't worry about it unless your buying something marketed as +P, in that case I wouldn't feed it a steady diet of them.

If the M&P can handle a steady diet of the .40 S&W and the .357 SIG, it will handle 9mm +P or +P+ just fine.

 

[skiphreak]

I just ran a hundred rounds of that Sellier and Bellot through. Seemed a bit hotter but certainly didn't seem to be anything to get concerned over. I did like the way it shot in comparison to a few of the others I tried so I think I might stock up a bit while it is on sale

On a weaker note. The white dot popped out of my front sight today. Only my second time out using the new m&p

 

[Titegroups]

If the M&P can handle a steady diet of the .40 S&W and the .357 SIG, it will handle 9mm +P or +P+ just fine.

I wasn't asking.

 

[D Rock]

S&B is really good ammo not weak range ammo like many.

I first got this info from DannyR and Glock Talk and have added things like S&B and Fiocchi, spiffed it up a bit and made it into a pdf file.

You'll see that the S&B is stronger than Winchester or PMC, for example, but it's not a +P ammo. I just bought some at 9.99 from Cabela's. They have free shipping on orders over $99.

Dave

 

[Armed Babysitter]

I wasn't asking.

No, you were just wrong.

 

[skiphreak]

I was just down at cabelas and picked up a good stack of it; figure if I'm gonna buy it anyway I might as well get it when it's on sale. Thankfully cabelas is only 15 minutes away for me

 

[Titegroups]

No, you were just wrong.

Check your attitude at the door, the OP asked a question and I answered it and gave my opinion on +p ammo use in the gun. I have loaded ammo for several years and have developed +p ammo for quite a few firearms and have pushed the limits, there's my qualifier. Let's hear yours my friend.

 

[Armed Babysitter]

Check your attitude at the door, the OP asked a question and I answered it and gave my opinion on +p ammo use in the gun. I have loaded ammo for several years and have developed +p ammo for quite a few firearms and have pushed the limits, there's my qualifier. Let's hear yours my friend.

10's of thousands of +p rounds downrange every year with no discernable extra or premature wear on internal components with multiple gun brands and models in various calibers is my qualifier, then again this is the internet so I could be a 15 year old with an airsoft typing from my parents basement.

Have a good and safe day.

 

[Titegroups]

Then I'll have to hand that to you, I load and shoot about 10,000rds a year but not in any particular gun. Few people outside of competitors run that many in a gun (time+$$$) in a year and if you do I'm sure you know the gun. Not enough people bring meat to the table and I tend to bump heads if for nothing else a B.S. check.

 

[Armed Babysitter]

Then I'll have to hand that to you, I load and shoot about 10,000rds a year but not in any particular gun. Few people outside of competitors run that many in a gun (time+$$$) in a year and if you do I'm sure you know the gun. Not enough people bring meat to the table and I tend to bump heads if for nothing else a B.S. check.

Well, I was once single, unmarried with no kids, with a real good paying job and very few monthly bills. Shooting was my thing, at least once a week if not more. I didn't mean I used to put 10,000 rounds a year down range in more than one gun, just one carry gun at a time.

Fast forward to now, wife, kids, long hours at work, cost of ammo quadrupling practically since I started shooting, and other typical life stuff has put a damper in my rounds down range every year, and I use to change guns/calibers about once a year. Ahh, the single life. Now, I probably average 250-300 a month, but I try to make them count.

I've come full circle back to 9mm, and consolidated down to just one gun and caliber for the most part. I still own a Glock 23, but no ammo for it. I just never caught the .40 bug like some of my coworkers and friends did.

Have a good evening.