A Couple of Pre-War 22-40 Masterpieces

Does David Carroll still have that one? I couldn't find it in his current list.

No, its long since vanished. What struck me was him pricing it that high. He'd sold me one of mine a few years back and while nearly perfect, I was stunned by both him asking so much and me somehow willing to pay it. But that was $3850 and basically a trade with the bait RMs.

One of our gun show regulars is Blake. He's not really a kid anymore, but compared to us oldfarts, he still is. Maybe 4 or 5 years ago he had a moderately well worn 2nd model, and was teetering on the idea of trading it to me for a decent RM. As I remember it, both guns were showing way too much wear to really be considered collectors guns. They were just very nice shooters. He couldn't decide. I think he was afraid I knew something he didn't and that I was trying to skin him. I've reminded him of it recently.

And I can honestly admit I've never shot either of my guns. But I've got prewar K22s to shoot, just outdoorsman. And I've got kind of early Postwar guns that I do shoot.

And an interesting story about my 2nds. I've had one for maybe 10 or so years. Back in that time period David Carroll was passing by and stopped in of a visit. He regularly passes where I live. He came in and we had a nice visit. It was at the old house here, and I had a gun room in the basement. His interest was primarily in RMs, but he wanted to look at 44s and K22s also. So out came the one 2nd I owned at the time. He looked at it for a minute or so, we boxed it back up and put it in the safe. Life continued. Then maybe 5 years ago (maybe more), but at least 5 years since he'd seen my 2nd) he had the other one I got from him. When I looked at it, it was nearly perfect - at the very least very nice. When I suggested to him it was about equal to my other one, he instantly said "no, its better". He was right. Maybe there is a difference between 97% and 98% guns, but it just amazed me David could remember it. And do the comparison that much later in time.

Another 2nd model comment. There seem to be way too many near perfect boxes turning up. I've personally come into 2 of them. One lives with the gun I got from David. The other was a disaster. One of our posters here "found" it in a barn he was tearing down. After a failed attempt to sell it here, he sent it to me, gratis! But I didn't keep it, I gave it to David so he could match it with a similarly distressed gun.

One of my fears is we have a situation (reinforced by the M&P shipped in a Masterpiece box) similar to that with K32s in the postwar. Ray Brazile tells a story about buying a boxcar load of them for almost nothing. Then selling them for obscene profits. His answer is that nearly everyone who paid him his price turned around and made even more. And its why a huge number of postwar K32s reside in boxes. I'm starting to wonder if we don't have a similar situation with 2nds.

The only thing notable about 692,966 is it came with a grip adapter. Both of mine have service grips.
 
Rick here are pictures of

the 1st
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the 2nd was engraved by master engraver Benno Huene
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There seem to be way too many near perfect boxes turning up. I've personally come into 2 of them.

I've been actively looking for an any condition 22/40 masterpiece box for one of mine and have been unable to find one. I saw several of them a few years ago, but at that time, I had no gun for the box.. So, if you (or anyone else for that matter) happen to come across one for sale, I would be very interested...:)

Thanks,
 
the 2nd was engraved by master engraver Benno Huene
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22MPc2nd013.jpg

Dan:

That is the one that I was remembering!!! I had forgotten that in addition to being beautifully engraved, it was also "tricked out" by King. BTW I love the cockeyed 22/40 hammer. I'm pretty sure that that one, if it had ever come anywhere near my home, would still be safely stored in my safe.

Thanks for re-posting the photos!
 
I've been actively looking for an any condition 22/40 masterpiece box for one of mine and have been unable to find one. I saw several of them a few years ago, but at that time, I had no gun for the box.. So, if you (or anyone else for that matter) happen to come across one for sale, I would be very interested...:)

Thanks,

A couple of years back I was talking to Roy and the subject of the K22-40 boxes came up. I indicated that I was on the hunt for one and he proclaimed, "how many do you want?". Seems he actually has a number of boxes not yet made up. But, he isn't willing to part with any of them. Or, he wasn't at that time. Roy isn't a favorite of the notion of putting a gun in an acquired box unless it is the original to the gun.

Oh well, keep hunting guys.
bdGreen
 
I've got two K22/40's at home in the safe. I'll have to post the serial numbers once I get home (for your list). They may already be on your list since both of mine were previously owned by our own fold. My first one has matching number service grips and the other one wears magnas. The magnas are un numbered but it letters as having them. I tried taking pics a while back but am horrible at that. I need to read the "how-to-take-good-gun-pictures" thread and try again.
As an aside, I've always wanted a KCPD RM blued with a HBH. Not too many of those around either. I've been contemplating going to the WTB/WTT side and do some fishing for a trade.
Great thread guys!

Roger
 
Gentlemen, these are beautiful.

The finish on these pre war K22s is just stunning.

It seems to me that the factory put the same level of detail in these revolvers that they did in the Registered Magnums. They must certainly have been viewed as a premier showcase piece for Smith and Wesson at the time.
 
I'm home now and the serial numbers of mine are...
682924 and 683147. They are both relatively early in production. 682924 came with some documentation from the S&W historical foundation. It letters with the magnas but they are un numbered. 683147 has numbered-to-the-gun service grips. Very nice condition specimens if I may say so myself. I'll try to take some decent pics soon and post'em.

David, please add mine to your list (if they aren't on there already).

Thanks, Roger
 
Thank you, Roger. I had a record of the first one, but not the second.

There are now 39 identified K-22/40s. Every one of them lies within one of the serial number blocks identified in post no. 32 of this thread.
 
AWESOME revolvers !

I am curiouse if the K22/40 Masterpiece was created by upgrading 4 parts on the existing K22 Outdoorsman ?

If not than besides the new micrometer rear site /taller front site, "Short action" hammer / trigger are there any other differences?

Thanks for sharing those beauties!
 
I'm not completely sure, but I think the hammer stud may have been staked in a slightly different position. There were custom modifications available that involved shifting the hammer stud about half its diameter, and pictures of one such mod have appeared on this forum in the last 18 months. I don't know if the factory changed the lock speed by changing the hammer design alone or by moving its pivot point as well.

There was also a thread last year in which it was discovered that a K-22 OD hammer would function in a K-22/40. I'm not sure we ever came to a complete understanding of how that worked.

The literature for the K-22/40 also mentions an overtravel stop. I haven't yet opened my K-22/40 so I don't know if that is a separate small piece (as in the postwar masterpieces) or just a feature of the trigger design.
 
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There was also a thread last year in which it was discovered that a K-22 OD hammer would function in a K-22/40. I'm not sure we ever came to a complete understanding of how that worked.

The literature for the K-22/40 also mentions an overtravel stop. I haven't yet opened my K-22/40 so I don't know if that is a separate small piece (as in the postwar masterpieces) or just a feature of the trigger design.

David,

I believe it was a thread about a 22/40 that came from the factory with an OD hammer and a poster proved it would work and that the hammers were actually interchangeable IIRC.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/205251-pre-war-k-22-masterpiece-value.html

I always thought that was a reference to the step in the back of the hammer. But I'm very curious to know what you find in your 22/40.
 
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Here is #682435. That is 31 numbers above the start of the first block. Does anyone have an earlier one? I bought this at a Greg Martin auction about ten years ago. They offered one a year for at least three years in a row, possibly from the same collection. Mine came in box #690713; I keep hoping that they got switched and someone else on the board bought the opposite combo.

Bob #946
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Bob,
With that low number I expected it to be in an Outdoorsman's box. I was right. I checked out the only red box I have that has the "K-22-40" stamped piece of tape on the bottom.
The good news is, I have your box. It is penciled '682435' on the paper tape.
The bad news is it is in sorry, sorry condition.

bdGreen
 
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