Gauging intrest for drop in ambi safety

Lastly, when only one company makes a product without any competitors they can charge what they want. It's just the way it is.

As I said, it's whatever the traffic will bear - which has little relationship to cost of manufacturing plus a decent profit margin.

Of course, I feel this way about much of what is available for the AR15 platform, especially moulded items.
 
B.A.D. levers are at minimum $16.00 each so that's $32.00 for just the levers, so at $54.00 the center section cost $22.00 I fail to see how that's out of line.

People that whine and complain about price have obviously never run a business and had to pay employee's....

For something that is QUALITY and MADE IN THE USA.... I think the price is right.. If you can't spare $54 then how can you afford a $400 "playtoy" ?

I guess I just can't relate, because I can spend $60.00 to fill up the tank of my 50K playtoy to run more than a quarter of that tank out, in a weekend... :D
 
B.A.D. levers are at minimum $16.00 each so that's $32.00 for just the levers, so at $54.00 the center section cost $22.00 I fail to see how that's out of line.

The levers are overpriced, IMHO, too.

People that whine and complain about price have obviously never run a business and had to pay employee's....

Invalid assumption, my friend, and rather snide, to boot.

For something that is QUALITY and MADE IN THE USA.... I think the price is right.. If you can't spare $54 then how can you afford a $400 "playtoy" ?

Spare $54??? If it were for something that I needed for the firearm to function, you might have a point. As a replacement for something that already works ... not so much.

I guess I just can't relate, because I can spend $60.00 to fill up the tank of my 50K playtoy to run more than a quarter of that tank out, in a weekend... :D

To use your phrase obviously you have a lot more disposable income than I do and/or have different priorities.

FWIW, I simply stated my opinion. If you consider that to be "whining", well that your opinion and it's no more valid than mine. :)

Have a nice weekend.
 
You are right my opinion is no more valid than yours.... And you do not have to replace the safety selector on your 15-22, in fact I'm sure you had no plans on it.. But you took the time to share with us how you think the levers are priced higher than they should be..

And as someone who has experience in Machining, Programming, Metallurgy, I disagree with you.

Simply put, I can waste $50.00 without thinking much about it!

You have a great weekend as well! Hope the weather doesn't get bad in CT... It's super windy here at the moment!
 
Being a lefty as I am and as I have them on all my AR's I am always trying to flip the safety with my thumb on my 15-22 and it is not there. Yes some will want them and pay the price for it and some will pass on them.
 
You are right my opinion is no more valid than yours.... And you do not have to replace the safety selector on your 15-22, in fact I'm sure you had no plans on it.. But you took the time to share with us how you think the levers are priced higher than they should be..

And as someone who has experience in Machining, Programming, Metallurgy, I disagree with you.

Simply put, I can waste $50.00 without thinking much about it!

You have a great weekend as well! Hope the weather doesn't get bad in CT... It's super windy here at the moment!

I guess I am more frugal - or simply cheap.:)

It was in the high 50s Wednesday and Thursday and this morning we had 4 inches of snow. Lousy way to start the weekend.
 
Being a lefty as I am and as I have them on all my AR's I am always trying to flip the safety with my thumb on my 15-22 and it is not there. Yes some will want them and pay the price for it and some will pass on them.

You could just swap the stock plastic safety for left handed use.


I for one am still interested as I am an ambi shooter and I'm concerned about plastic safety wearing out.
 
You could just swap the stock plastic safety for left handed use.


I for one am still interested as I am an ambi shooter and I'm concerned about plastic safety wearing out.


I am picky cause i use my index finger to flip it back to safety. :p
 
I want what I want and that's what I want! :D

Please pm me or if you can post a link when the product comes out!

Thanks in advance

Pricing to much?? not really just think of all the accessories that we put on our 15-22's for looks....:o
Let alone functional parts like stock replacement, sights, triggers, vertical grips… you have to remember it’s like tupperware for guys(and gals) because we want to add them!

Oh and Hi to everyone first post :)
 
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The second prototype has not been made yet. They had a few production runs of their other selectors. Some time next week the new prototype will be made then the production run for the 15-22 selectors will be done.

I will be selling these through my website, via paypal, that will be up and running today or tomorrow.

Thanks
Jon
 
I'll be interested when these are done. I have BADass safety levers on all my AR's and they are very high quality pieces of kit. (and priced the same for standard AR's) Sometimes you can't describe a tactile quality that a superior product has over a cheaper product. The BADass safeties just feel better to me. Smoother in function and almost sucks itself into place when you throw the lever, if that makes sense. The ability to customize the levers is a major advantage as well. I like the standard lever on the left side and the long/thin lever on the right side.
 
Just read the entire thread; I've been remiss in getting back on the S&W forum due to two new firearms I've acquired (well, one is just changing my Thompson pistol into a rifle, the other, a brand new Colt M4).

I had no idea nobody had made an ambi selector for the M&P15-22 so I'll be keeping this thread in mind.

I've gotten used to a ambi-safety for my Beretta 92FS and my SA 1911 so when I got into rifles, I thought it'd be the same but guess again! So I'm in for this little USA made product. Thanks Jon for taking up the cause - and yes, I'm a lefty but have been using my trigger finger to select fire/safe modes.... now how about a left hand charge handle???? :D
 
Quick update. Battle Arms is still backed up filling several large orders for AR15 selectors. It will be another 2 weeks before the final prototype is made.

Thanks
Jon
 
Hi guys, this is Roger from Battle Arms Development :)

We've been working with Jon on the 15-22 selector center, there is some news that Jon may not have covered.

The non-dovetailed, original Battle Arms Dev. Ambidextrous Selector now has six levers and an end cap, in two months or so, there will be eight levers (short crank is the 8th, and a mystery 7th lever we haven't shown to public).

The decision to pattern the 15-22 selector after the original Battle Arms Dev. selector is based on several factors:

1. Price, it's less expensive than the BAD-CASS (dovetailed)
2. Compatibility with existing, multiple lever options. The BAD-CASS was developed for the military, which didn't ask for, nor want that many lever options.

The 15-22 selector center will cost us slightly more to produce, but retail and wholesale price will be close to the .223/.308 version, not more expensive to the users.

The BAD-CASS-SA (semi auto), BAD-CASS-ST (short throw), BAD-CASS-3P, M16 (select fire) are the most expensive, and most well made selectors any money can buy. The reason I bring this up, even though none would work on a 15-22, is because quality cost money. To have anything made in the US is going to cost more, we never looked overseas to make anything, even the packaging and the Grade 8 screws are made in the US.

Our products may not be for everyone, but for those that want the best, made by folks with no holds barred when it comes to quality, material, engineering and refinement, they will not be disappointed.

Many of you are familiar with our highly regarded customer service, no BS return/exchange, and free lever exchange program. These are not the reasons our selectors cost more. These are perks our customers get. Our products are at the top of the food chain, and as premium products, we make sure they come with premium service.

Since Feb. of 2012, all selectors come with two extra Grade 8 Torx screws, a KNS stainless steel detent, a T10 key, and a detent spring.

Prior to Feb, 2012, all units already came with a KNS detent and a T10 key.

The reason we include these parts that no other manufacturer has before or since, is we try to have all basis covered when it comes to the operation of probably the most important control on a firearm: its safety. By providing the high quality components ourselves, we ensure there are as few parts as possible that could affect its operation.

If I were to tell you our margin on the selectors, I don't think you'd believe me. None of our products are cheap, simply because none of them are cheap to produce.

As a company, our goals are to create the kind of products we ourselves would be proud to use. If you could make something for yourself and money is no object, I think you'd create something wonderful, for it would have the best material and workmanship. This is the official stance on anything we do.

More to follow, thank you guys for your support :)

PS, in case you guys haven't seen this already ;)
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Glad to see you here Roger. I haven't shot my 1522 since last year but I can't wait for these selectors. Will an option to buy just the center be available?

For those of you who think these are expensive.. well, yeah when compared to a standard selector they are. But how much more does a MIAD grip cost compared to standard A2 grip? 5 times as much? A2 grips are functionally the same as a MIAD, but the MIAD was engineered with options, options that let you setup the grip exactly the way you like it.

The Battle Arms selectors offer the same type of advantages over the milspec part and IMO are functionally superior and much higher quality. The 45' selectors they sell for the AR platform increase the advantage over milspec even more.

And on top of that, I would rank my dealings with Battle Arms and Roger in particular in the top 3 of any company I have dealt with in any industry in my entire life.
 
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