the success of Chicago gun control

The unfortunate part is that the "no-go" zones are getting worse and increasing in size. And they a just a very short distance away from the tourist-friendly apartheid zones. I just feel bad when some poor tourist doesn't really realize what he may be getting in to.

BTW, don't get me wrong, I haven't carried in Chicago. I used to work downtown until 2004, now I just kind of avoid it. It's gotten worse since even then.
 
ladder13 said:
I'm sure there's plenty of crime around the Knickerbocker Hotel ;)
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Anywhere big money people might congregate, the city fathers will invariably make a modest effort to keep the lid on, lest they might become involved themselves! :eek:

So there will be no confusion, this principle is similar to the one that allows them to disarm everyone in the city, while the mayor travels with an armed entourage that might be sufficient for passage through Iraq. :)

What did he say, "Take it to the alley." Yes, there's the solution. :rolleyes:
 
My grandma statement may have been misconstrued. I know a lot of good people live in the bad areas of Chicago (not by choice). There is more black-on-black crime than ever. Every day, young black children are shot in-and-out of their homes, by gunfire, because citizens of Chicago can't arm themselves for self defense. Gangbangers have no rules. They know its hard (now-finally) to meet the requirements to own a gun in Chicago. Home invasions of the elderly in poor neighborhoods where grandma and grandpa are tied up and have their throat cuts or are shot for what little social security money or savings they may have occured quite frequently. Many elderly are hesitant in using modern debit cards, or direct deposit. New-fangled things they can't trust. Have you ever tried to get grandma to use the Internet? The elderly are on fixed incomes and many can't afford a computer. They want cash-in hand (the old fasioned way). They then become one of the easiest targets.

When one fears that grandma may shoot your rear if you try to rob her, fully knowing no one will even to try to charge grandma for doing so, the message will start to sink in. If concealed carry in Chicago is ever approved, from grandma on down, the city itself, no matter how much money you have or have not, no matter how affluent of an area you live in or not, life will get a little better...slowly.

Cab drivers are shot for what little cash they may just have in their wallets....despite the "swipe the card" upgrades or bullet proof shields they have in their cabs. Pizza delivery drivers have been shot for a free pizza. The girl from Ireland, "visiting" Chicago a few years ago, was almost beaten to death in the Gold Coast area of Chicago, simply for a few bucks, even after she gave up her purse. Certain CTA train lines are well-known areas for criminals targeting riders so how else will grandma get to downtown to see the sights on a "fixed" budget or income?

I once rode with Chicago Gang Homicide (I think that unit has been disbanded and re-named or those tactical officers have been distributed to different districts). I VOLUNTEERED for a week-long ride-a-long program. I was told by them that when the US Marshals rode with them, some (not all) would not even get out of the car in certain neighborhoods that CPD GH rode into!

The police can't be everywhere. We know that. But grandma has a right to live the remaining years of her life, as safe as possible. It starts with grandma....then......every other honest citizen of Chicago, should have the right to be armed for their God-given right to live, no matter where they live, in Chicago.

TAKJR
 
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I know a lot of good people live in the bad areas of Chicago (not by choice). There is more black-on-black crime than ever. Every day, young black children are shot in-and-out of their homes, by gunfire, because citizens of Chicago can't arm themselves for self defense. Gangbangers have no rules. They know its hard (now) to meet the requirements to own a gun in Chicago. Home invasions of the elderly in poor neighborhoods where grandma and grandpa are tied up and have their throat cuts or are shot for what little social security money or savings they may have occur quite frequently. Many elderly are hesitant in using modern debit cards, or direct deposit. They want cash-in hand. They then become one of the easiest targets.

When one fears that grandma may shoot your rear if you try to rob her, fully knowing no one will like to try to charge grandma for doing so, the message will start to sink in. If concealed carry in Chicago is ever approved, from grandma on down, the city itself, no matter how much money you have or have not, no matter how affluent of an area you live in or not, life will get a little better...slowly.

Cab drivers are shot for what little cash they may just have in their wallets....despite the "swipe the card" upgrades or bullet proof shields they have in their cabs.

The police can't be everywhere.
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People who live in bad areas do so by choice - or, rather because they're not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to live somewhere better. I suspect most of them are getting some form of federal subsidy living/welfare where they are &/or they wouldn't be able to afford the same size apt/home in a better neighborhood (which is not an acceptable excuse).

Frankly, I'll never understand how - if you live in an area where children are being killed every day (& you can't legally arm yourself to boot) - you wouldn't do everything possible to move out. Better to LIVE in a small studio apt in a safe area than die in your ghetto mansion.

Get off welfare & section 8 housing, get a friggin job already, & move somewhere safer.

People who choose to stay in a demilitarized zone shouldn't be so surprised when SHTF.

Most major metropolitan "housing complexes" have deteriorated into criminal sanctuaries. Most of these people choose to be cheap over being safe. They want to live to off of government handouts so let them reap what they sew.
 
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Bedrockk

You are right (to a degree). Some people live off the government and will not move (like a rock) and just put up with "whatever" where they live.

But, I will would venture to say that there are more good, honest people that live in bad areas that want to get out, but "financially" they can't. I think that there are more good people that are "stuck" in that way, than people that swim in the glue, who are "stuck" there and just "love" it.

TAKJR
 
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I will would venture to say that there are more good, honest people that live in bad areas that want to get out, but "financially" they can't. I think that there are more good people that are "stuck" in that way.
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I'm not saying that some people in these terror zones aren't good or aren't honest. But I refuse to accept that they financially (or otherwise) "can't" or are so permanently "stuck."

Many people distort a difficult decision they don't want to make with "can't."

Not wanting to give up your cable tv or cellphone so you can save up some money to move out is not "can't." Choices are not always pleasant or easy but that doesn't make them any less of a choice.

Grandma should decide - however unpleasant it may be - to give up her home & live in a safer apt or nursing home or with her kids. Surely, those are still better options than catching a bullet.

You show me a "can't" situation & I'll show you a "won't" choice.
 
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Bad neighborhoods don't necessarily start bad. Many began as middle class working neighborhoods decades ago. It's not uncommon for "granny" to find her once peaceful neighborhood to have changed. Often widowed, on limited fixed income, property values slashed, there just aren't a lot of options. It's the home "granny" has lived in 40 years.

I think the criminals ought to be moved to a new permanent address instead of expecting the law-abiding to move from their homes.
 
This happened to a lot of friends and relatives on a smaller scale than Chicago in Gary, Indiana. My dad got us out after about the third time I had to fist-fight to keep my bicycle from being stolen. Our older relatives were stuck by then.
 
FACT: Everywhere in the country where the government stops their illegal control over law abiding citizens owning handguns and they start to carry, CRIME GOES DOWN!

Criminals are basically cowards so if there's a chance their potential victim can fight back effectively they usually pass on that person.

Law abiding citizens regain their God given right to self protection and crime goes down. Why is that so difficult for the Liberal gun-grabbers to understand. Facts are facts but then again, Liberals ignore the facts they don't like just like they are fro freedom of speech as long as they agree with what you are saying!
 
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Changing the subject to Washington, D.C.? I thought we were talking about Chicago? :D I guess that might apply equally to any big city anywhere around the world, with a few exceptions.
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Especially large space ports where wookies and large slugs hang out : p
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
Bad neighborhoods don't necessarily start bad. Many began as middle class working neighborhoods decades ago. It's not uncommon for "granny" to find her once peaceful neighborhood to have changed. Often widowed, on limited fixed income, property values slashed, there just aren't a lot of options. It's the home "granny" has lived in 40 years.

I think the criminals ought to be moved to a new permanent address instead of expecting the law-abiding to move from their homes.
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Move criminal gang members to graveyards. They do the same to others.

Hammurabi's Code Eye for an Eye
 
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