My bad MP15 S&W experience
- Thread starter gsochallenger
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Yeah I just read the thread over at "the chart" I mean AR15. We have been a lot kinder to you than they were. But the reason I dont go over there still remains "oh I was going to by such and such from S&W but not now" gun snob people over there. There were some postings that were spot on, but then there were the "threaten them with legal action" posts. It always has to be someone's fault, not mine. They are right S&W doesnt owe you a lab report. The rifle has been there 3 months and you havent called just sent emails. This whole thing is fishy and everyone knows we arent getting the whole story. So you want your rifle back and whatever may be left of the case. And your going to pay for an independent lab test. Dude you are going to spend more money finding out it is not S&W's fault than to replace your rifle. Sorry it happened. Hope you learned a lesson. I am out!!!!
Lee in Quartzsite
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The main reason I buy S&W guns IS because of their customer service. The times I have messed up my guns...not many, but a few...and called to BUY a part because it was My Fault, they have shipped them to me the same day FREE! When I recently had a problem with my new Shield I simply sent them an E-mail and they E-mailed me a FedEx return label the next day, fixed my gun (new barrel) and sent it back fixed.
To be honest I have had the same results with Ruger. I had a brand new Mini-14 (since traded on my M&P15PS) that had a cracked receiver and they gave me my choice of any new gun in their inventory...went from the NRA model to the Tactical model.
I think it comes down to how you handled this problem from the get-go. Perhaps your experience will help us all in the future to see some of the mistakes made and not make them in the future. It's too early in this story to condemn S&W for any of their responses...of which we have only seen one side of the story.
Gunslinger808
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I'm not going to pile on, I can just imagine the frustration and anger at spending $1000+ on a rifle only to have it self destruct (for whatever reason) after only Two rounds.
I'm sorry it happened, and happy you weren't hurt.
If you do get a chance I'd like to now what brands of ammo are thrown together in your stash.
Given the contents I could probably take a SWAG at what brand it was that blew up your rifle.
I'm sorry it happened, and happy you weren't hurt.
If you do get a chance I'd like to now what brands of ammo are thrown together in your stash.
Given the contents I could probably take a SWAG at what brand it was that blew up your rifle.
JaPes
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I went over to that other forum. His series of posts on the other forum would lead me to conclude he has bin full of separate boxed ammo, not a hodge podge bin of loose ammo as he stated here. Over there did state:
His attitude over there is the same as it over here. I'm actually surprised that the the other forum has been uncharacteristically restrained.
AGAIN... I STRESS...
OP, I'm glad you are physically unharmed. I sympathize with your frustration with S&W's delay in responding to your request to have your inoperable rifle returned. It's your property, not theirs. I also sympathize with your frustrations at laying down hard earned money for a rifle, only to blow up the rifle on the 2nd pull of the trigger.
The diagnostic report authored by a S&W employee belongs to S&W. You didn't pay for it. You don't own it, nor have any claim to it. It is at S&W's discretion whether or not to share the report with you.
Your actions are a direct contributing factor in your M&P 15's catastrophic failure by mixing up various factory ammo randomly into a bin. Your actions are a direct contributing factor in killing any chance you have to file a claim against an ammo manufacturer.
Man up, take some personal responsibility, and stop living in denial.
"Heres an update the 3 brands of ammo in my bin are Remington, Winchester and Wolf"
His attitude over there is the same as it over here. I'm actually surprised that the the other forum has been uncharacteristically restrained.
AGAIN... I STRESS...
OP, I'm glad you are physically unharmed. I sympathize with your frustration with S&W's delay in responding to your request to have your inoperable rifle returned. It's your property, not theirs. I also sympathize with your frustrations at laying down hard earned money for a rifle, only to blow up the rifle on the 2nd pull of the trigger.
The diagnostic report authored by a S&W employee belongs to S&W. You didn't pay for it. You don't own it, nor have any claim to it. It is at S&W's discretion whether or not to share the report with you.
Your actions are a direct contributing factor in your M&P 15's catastrophic failure by mixing up various factory ammo randomly into a bin. Your actions are a direct contributing factor in killing any chance you have to file a claim against an ammo manufacturer.
Man up, take some personal responsibility, and stop living in denial.
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Dragon88
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In post #45 he said Wolf, Remington and Winchester. However, in post #5 he said he has "4 or 5 brands" in the bin. Who knows what's in there.
If S&W sent the case back, would you be able to identify the brand by the markings on the brass?
JaPes
Member
Exactly. For all we know there could have been remanufactured ammo in there.
JaPes
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If the case stamp didn't melt or blow into little pieces, maybe.
The problem is that an ammo manufacturer would want at minimum the factory box, the remaining ammo from that box, and the production lot number.
Even if he could identify the manufacturer from the case stamp, his actions give the ammo manufacturer plausible deniability.
"Hi. Your ammo blew up my gun. I know it was your round I pulled from a bin full of random ammo."
Dragon88
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If I pick up a Remington case off the range, then reload it with 30 grains of pistol powder and blow up my rifle, I can hardly blame Remington. Headstamp on the one case would be good info to have, but without original packaging and the lot number, it doesn't mean much. It could simply be a reman or Bubba's Premium Garage Handloads from a gun show.
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gsochallenger
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amazing how people cant read and understand english. all of you show me the post where I demand a new rifle or blame S&W or threaten a lawsuit. read all my post and emails again and see if you can figure out why Im pissed and what Im asking for.
MichiganScott
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We understand why you are pissed, but don't understand why you insist it is the fault of the rifle manufacturer. Your actions indicated to S&W that you blame them.
You had an over pressure round and because of the negligent act of destroying evidence, i.e., throwing away the original boxes, most of us believe that you have no recourse with the manufacturer of the ammunition.
Have the lower checked out by a reputable AR 'smith and put another upper on it if it is not damaged and learn from the experience.
You had an over pressure round and because of the negligent act of destroying evidence, i.e., throwing away the original boxes, most of us believe that you have no recourse with the manufacturer of the ammunition.
Have the lower checked out by a reputable AR 'smith and put another upper on it if it is not damaged and learn from the experience.
When you send a gun in under warranty what else?
I can't copy and post threads from other forums. And as you will understand we dont just camp out here like it appears. We do like to know whats going on in the rest of the world. Especially of the world of AR's.
I can't copy and post threads from other forums. And as you will understand we dont just camp out here like it appears. We do like to know whats going on in the rest of the world. Especially of the world of AR's.
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gsochallenger
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but you can post a link right?
StlBluesFan72
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To the OP .. why all the attitude? This forum is pretty laid back. Everyone here is happy you were not injured, and we are all sorry that your brand new $1000.00 rifle is destroyed, but come on. Everyone that has responded in depth seems to be a well respected member and contributor on this forum. The fact is nobody here knows to a fault what happened to the 15-T, and I really dont think we have been given ALL the information needed to give a analysis anyway. Like I said before I hope there is some resolve to your situation, but getting mad at everyone here will not help.
duckslayer74
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Bottom line is it's not the rifles fault or S&W's fault, it's YOUR'S!! You have poor ammo storage and you have no idea what you ran through your gun, hopefully you learned a valuable lesson on knowing exactly what you run through your gun.
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gsochallenger
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Yeah, because I come in posting and get posts like the one above and a bunch from the beginning. Yeah laid back lol. Im trying to get my property returned and complaining about CS. People on here are hung up on ammo
duckslayer74
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I agree, you should get your property back. I just don't see why you can't wrap your mind around the fact it was bad ammo?????
A US diplomat said "Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself." Maybe better said one might not live at all, if you do make some of the mistakes of others. I appreciate the OP's posting and surly attitude that has stimulated a lot of insightful analyses and comments from the members here. I now know that I will not chamber that second cartridge, if anything seems out of order with the first. I'm sure I wouldn't have anyhow, but now it's burned into my psyche.
