357 and Bears

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I have been carrying my Model 19 with Silvertips when hiking, camping, and fishing but will be traveling to North LA and Arkansas and am worried about black bears. Any good loads that might be useful for bear defense?
By the way I know ideally a .44 Magnum is the best for this, but that is not a viable option at this time...
 
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No personal experience, but seems like a lot of qualified people recommend bear spray first, guns as a last resort. Hope your travels are safe, and no bears or you are harmed in the process.;)

If I was packing my 681 in the boonies, I might have some BB 180gr LSWC in it: Heavy 357 Magnum Pistol & Handgun Ammunition

ETA this is a good read concerning bullet choice for bruin defense: http://garrettcartridges.com/defensive.html

Ok, now I'll get some popcorn, nothing like a good bear thread ;)
 
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Thanks for the tip. I only hope to use the gun as last resort. I have a box of 158 grain semi wadcutters from Rem. that seem like they might work.
 
I agree with the BB 180 grains. I carry them with my 686+ in a moon clip when I'm out in the wilderness. They're fun to shoot too, big booms.
 
The best defense for bears is standard bear avoidance techniques. Make a lot of noise so the bears can hear you coming and they can leave the area. Bears attack because they are startled or feel threatened.
 
I didn't think that bears carried 357's anymore.............

Randy
 
...there's a thread somewhere about a ranger that saved himself from a Grizzly with his 357. If you stick it in his ear and keep pullin' the trigger...the old 357 has enough penetration to do the job. Hell...stuck in his ear...the muzzle blast is probably what killed him...
 
All kidding aside, Federal makes a 180 gr Cast Core Vital Shok round that's 1130fps and 510mve, should do the trick.
 
I'd probably opt for a Hardcast 180 grain bullet at a good speed.

Bears won't be a likely problem though.
 
Have any experience with bears? How big do they get there? As I remember them they weigh about what a man does and a 357 can handle that if the shooter can keep his "scat" together and shoot accurately. Bear spray is so the bear can add some flavor to your raw flesh and I think it teaches them people ARE Great. kyle
 
I do a lot of hiking and backpacking in Northern MN and WI. There is a large black bear population up there and I have had several encounters. In all honesty, black bears are nothing but large annoying raccoons. I suggest searching the net for articles on hiking and camping in bear country. There are a ton of tips and tricks to avoid or midegate encounters. Making noise and waving your arms being at the top of the list. Bear spray and bear bells are a great idea. Stay away from cubs...one picture of a cute little bear isn't worth dealing with a protective mama. Search specifically for black bear country as tactics for different species vary. You are more likely having to use your .357 in a SD situation against a person then a black bear in the back woods (I saw Deliverance).

There is an old saying...black bear scat is full of twigs, leaves and berries. Grizzly bear scat is full of bear spray, bells and GoreTex.
 
I’ve lived in Alaska for more than forty years and have had my share of bear encounters, black and grizzly. I won’t bore you with a lot of stories, but I’ll tell you two of them.
A friend and I were hunting for moose and came upon a fairly young, maybe 3-year-old, black bear sitting in a large patch of blueberries feeding himself. Younger bears are moderately edible so my friend shot him. The bear jumped up, landed on his feet, and ran about 70 yards before he dropped to the ground. When we opened him up to dress him out, we could see that his heart was completely destroyed by the bullet. With NO heart, this guy, from a sitting position, ran 200 feet before he died. That’s a black bear.
A few years later, while scoping a hillside, I watched a grizzly bear clawing away at the ground. Through my spotting scope, I saw him drag a black bear out of his den, kill him, and eat him. That’s the difference between a black bear and a grizzly bear. Whatever type of round you carry into the woods is open to debate. But it might be a good idea to save the last round for yourself. Being eaten alive by a grizzly bear strikes me as a very unpleasant way to die.
 
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Probably 30 or so years ago, in a less PC time, Mas Ayoob, answered this question something like this. "I would rather stand on the steps of the Black Panther Headquarters yelling ,hey boy, give me a shoe shine, than take on any bear with any handgun".
I've only killed one bear and it was a large blackbear with a hand gun. I have no desire to do that again.
My minimum caliber in bear country would be a good 12 gauge or heavy caliber rifle.
Just my opinion, but plan for the best and "pack" for the worse.
BTW: Ayoobs comment was his,not mine. Nick
 
I was always told that if a bear is running toward you, you should stop and urinate a circle around you. The bear will stop to try to figure out what the heck you are doing......:)
 
Dont try to put a full nelson on him either. They tell me a bear can turn his head 360 degrees around!
 
I have been carrying my Model 19 with Silvertips when hiking, camping, and fishing but will be traveling to North LA and Arkansas and am worried about black bears. Any good loads that might be useful for bear defense?
By the way I know ideally a .44 Magnum is the best for this, but that is not a viable option at this time...
2hawk has given the best load advice regarding a 357 Magnum for Bear Defense IMHO. The Buffalo Bore® 180gr RFN hard cast has almost 800lbs of muzzle energy; far more than any other commercial load in that caliber.

For me personally I carry a 41 Remington® Magnum loaded with HSM® 230gr Keith SWCGC Hardcast.
 
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