Asking the question on THIS forum you are of course going to get lots of S&W positives. And, they are true. I LOVE my Sport. I am not afraid of "plastic guns" as I have and S&W 15-22, so I did take a good look at the Bushmaster that is more plastic and is at about the same price point as the Sport. Luckily a Sport arrived and I took it. Don't really know much about the Bushmaster, just wanted to suggest one other rifle at the Sport price point. Good luck with your looking and keep us posted.
Which AR type rifle the best buy
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I don't know where you find a Colt 6920 or 6940 for a couple hundred dollars more than M&P Sport.
There is about a $500 difference between the new Colt and the Sport.
For the money, the Sport is a better deal.
I hope you noticed I did not mention anything about an accuracy comparison.
My Noveske Skinny MOE and S&W/Magpul are equally as accurate, with the ammo each likes best.
Your going to spend $250 to $350 on a new trigger. Why not get it over with and buy what you want now?
Best trigger IMO is the Rock River Arms two stage. All of their guns come with it.
But I'm telling ya, look at Windham Weaponry. Buddy just bought one for not much more than the M&P Sport.
Best trigger IMO is the Rock River Arms two stage. All of their guns come with it.
But I'm telling ya, look at Windham Weaponry. Buddy just bought one for not much more than the M&P Sport.
MPDC
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Nope,Geissele SSA is $180, free shipping and one of the best 2 stages out there or a bit more if you want the very light pull E version.
lhttps://www.primaryarms.com/Geissele_Super_Semi_Automatic_SSA_Two_StageTrigg_p/gat-ssa.htm
lhttps://www.primaryarms.com/Geissele_Super_Semi_Automatic_SSA_Two_StageTrigg_p/gat-ssa.htm
That's not much of an arguement buddy. But what the hey. It's his money.
MPDC
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Well, since the SSA and SSA-E are pretty much the most popular two stage add ons and the combination along with the excellent bbl. offered on the Sport makes for a very accurate and ergonomic combination, settling for a RRA two stage trigger and buying an entire rifle for it doesn't make much of an argument to me either.
Just a "less filling!" "Taste's great" debate but I really can't see buying an entire rifle for a second rate trigger.
Just a "less filling!" "Taste's great" debate but I really can't see buying an entire rifle for a second rate trigger.
Plus you can buy the RRA trigger for not a whole lot of money if thats what a person wants. I dont have a giselle, but I polished my Sport trigger and put in a spring kit and have an awesome trigger that feels like the timneys on my Mausers. Then I bought a Spikes Ni-Bo Battle Trigger with a spring kit and I really like it also. I am afraid now to get a Giselle now, I might have to replace the triggers in all my rifles. LOL
storeyteller
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I have shot the SSA-E and RRA NM 2 stage triggers side by side and the only difference, IMO, is the SSA-E has a lighter 1st stage.... that and the price.
I may be biased because I run the RRA on my sport, but I had been thinking about the SSA-E for a new build until I shot my friend's. Now I'm just gonna stick with the RRA and put the savings into a better barrel.
I may be biased because I run the RRA on my sport, but I had been thinking about the SSA-E for a new build until I shot my friend's. Now I'm just gonna stick with the RRA and put the savings into a better barrel.
Another Colt, Hands down.
Best value for the dollar.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwswheghNQsEuEhjFwPrgTA&gid=5
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...akp2a3Y2NjMxTEE&single=true&gid=2&output=html
There are reasons for the price differences between a Smith and a Colt, for instance.
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storeyteller
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Not the dreaded chart!
I got a fever! I'm thinkin' what I need is more cowbell...
I got a fever! I'm thinkin' what I need is more cowbell...
The Geissele SD-E would be the one that has the biggest improvement over the RRA NM 2.
MPDC
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All depends on the extra value you give to "hype". MILSPEC is simply a standard. NOT a guarantee of superiority. In fact, meeting those requirements adds to COST NOT NECESSARILY VALUE. For the money, the S&W Sport is the best value, hands down. The stories of inferior MILSPEC purchases and waste by the Gvt. in purchasing are well documented.
JaPes
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Good lord another chart devotee.
Apparently all I have to do is input data onto a spreadsheet, publish it on Google Docs, and bingo, bango, boingo... instant credibility.
Smith & Wesson : 20110818: "The factory considers some of that information proprietary and cannot submit"
That's because their 4140 steel, Melonite treated, 1:8 5R Thompson Center barrel is giving the mil-spec monkeys a run for their money.
The one manufacturer I will grudgingly concede makes a slightly better barrel is Noveseke because of the care they take in boring the barrel's chamber. Will I ever be a good enough shot to eke out the bleeding edge performance benefit a Noveseke barrel provides? God willing one day I will. The truth is that right now, I can't.
Apparently all I have to do is input data onto a spreadsheet, publish it on Google Docs, and bingo, bango, boingo... instant credibility.
Smith & Wesson : 20110818: "The factory considers some of that information proprietary and cannot submit"
That's because their 4140 steel, Melonite treated, 1:8 5R Thompson Center barrel is giving the mil-spec monkeys a run for their money.
The one manufacturer I will grudgingly concede makes a slightly better barrel is Noveseke because of the care they take in boring the barrel's chamber. Will I ever be a good enough shot to eke out the bleeding edge performance benefit a Noveseke barrel provides? God willing one day I will. The truth is that right now, I can't.
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Kodiakco
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The only problem I have with my M&P 15, and it's a big one, is the driver behind it! Every match I've been in, every range session, it has done it's part. Now, me on the other hand, that is a totally different story.
Kodiakco
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The "chart" is like the Bible. It needs to be used in context. Also, like the Bible, it is used out of context very often!
isaidme1
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Your going to get the most for your dollar with Palmetto State Armory.
JaPes
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Agreed. If you have the necessary aptitude, building your own rifle does represent the best value. Building your own does mean that you're the factory that warrants the build.
If someone wants a complete factory built rifle that has a reputable factory warranty, the 15-Sport is hard to beat.
Also I apologize for my heated reaction to "The Chart". I've been hit with that thing so much that I've developed a negative knee jerk reaction to it.
So many people come visiting here and throw the chart at us. Most of them do not nor have ever shot a M&P15. They get hyped on the Dancing Pony. There is a reason Colt couldnt keep the govenment contract. There is also a reason why you can buy "trade-in" Colts dirt cheap, around here the "trade-in" Bushies bring more money than the colts. Japes you need to build a sheet and put it online. Then you can be the "expert" also. But unlike the originator of the "Chart" and ARsomething.something we wont kick you out. Yeah I know a lot of people with Colts and I have shot more Colts than M&P15's, I have also shot alot of Bushmasters. Neither one compares to the "made in house" S&W AR. I have heard stories about the original ones but not many. The Chart is just about as valid as yesterdays weather, doesnt really mean anything today!
And to be a member of the SWCA, must be a pistol shooter with no real brand loyalty. For instance what?
Palmetto State Armory is another one of the small boutique assemblers, they do not manufacture AR's. They just buy stuff and use it and in order to stay competitive they cannot buy top tier parts or they couldnt sell a weapon and make a profit. At least Colt makes a lot of their own parts although they do subcontract out a lot of parts also. I still find it ironic as soon as the monopoly to the nations military ended they lost the contract. Must be because their rifles are so darned good.
And to be a member of the SWCA, must be a pistol shooter with no real brand loyalty. For instance what?
Palmetto State Armory is another one of the small boutique assemblers, they do not manufacture AR's. They just buy stuff and use it and in order to stay competitive they cannot buy top tier parts or they couldnt sell a weapon and make a profit. At least Colt makes a lot of their own parts although they do subcontract out a lot of parts also. I still find it ironic as soon as the monopoly to the nations military ended they lost the contract. Must be because their rifles are so darned good.
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