We have a choice to make if we want to keep our guns

[Biginge]

Ladder13,

I am battling this same subject on another thread. Life in prison for theft of a firearm, mandatory. That would curtail it somewhat I believe.

 

[Gunzilla]

Ladder13,

I am battling this same subject on another thread. Life in prison for theft of a firearm, mandatory. That would curtail it somewhat I believe.

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This, and the 'CHAIR' for the commission of a crime with a firearm.....still some will have little to lose but their worthless lives. But like I said, we will likely never eliminate 100% of the crimes with firearms no matter the punishment.

Every little bit helps!

Making firearms difficult to get for the criminal (or the mentally ill) has got to be on the table in order to keep our gun rights.

The left may never be happy with that but they certainly can't say we're not trying to make it safer for EVERYONE if we show our willingness to address this problem of easy access.

 

[nipster]

To those advocating a safe, how about giving a gun lock away with each gun purchase?

Oh, wait..........

They are supposed to do that here (FLA). It's hit or miss if they actually do it though. My glove box is full of them.

 

[nipster]

Making firearms difficult to get for the criminal (or the mentally ill) has got to be on the table in order to keep our gun rights.

I dont know what more can be done...

Form 4473 has provisions for mental illness and criminal behavior. The NCIS call-in verifies the buyer does not have a criminal record (felony anyway).

I dont know what more can be done than requiring a psych eval at time of purchase, and how could you even manage that? That would not be acceptable to me. And it should not be for you all either. We could also be put in situations like in New York, where sheriffs and judges decide who can have guns, compulsory registrations, limits on the number of purchases per week/month/year. No thanks.

 

[Jetpilot007]

In NYS I am required by County law to store firearms in a locked safe.

On a separate note, did anyone watch Bill O'Reilly this evening? He was advocating that every assault weapon owner register their firearm with the federal authorities. This man obviously doesn't understand the concept of limited government nor a basic understanding of semi automatic firearms. Keep in mind that the term assault weapon was coined by politicians back in the early 1990s. Whether its an AK-47 or an AR-15 these are nothing more than semi auto long rifles. In fact in my home state of New York (yes I am not proud to be a New Yorker) these so called assault rifles cannot possess bayonet lug, flash suppressor, and collapsible stock. So, when I purchased my Windham AR-15 recently, what did I in fact purchase? A semi auto rifle that is no different than a Remington Model 742 Woodsmaster. Yes, soon politicians outlaw semi autos and follows by bolt action types. I also forgot to mention that I am limited to a 10 round magazine.

If Mr. O'Reilly advocates federal registration of so called assault rifles, where does it end? Certainly handguns and ALL long rifles of all types will eventually be included. And Once, all firearms have been accounted for in a massive centralized federal database, the final outcome will be: CONFISCATION.

Is this the United States of America that we have come to know?

In this instance Mr. O'Reilly is The Pinhead.

 

[AZretired]

Back on '03 my house was burglarized and 5 handguns were stolen. I had two with me at work but they didn't touch my 3 rifles. Only one revolver was ever recovered and it was used in a homicide, so I never did get it back. When I got my insurance money the first thing I bought was a good safe. Best purchase i ever made.

 

[bustedmp]

I am pretty sure in some states or areas it is a felony to have a gun that is not locked up if children are in the house. I don't own a gun safe, but they are kept locked up from all but the most determined theif. Besides, locks only keep your friends out anyway.

We do need to involves ourselves in this situation somehow, or we will be railroaded into something that will be the end of 2a rights. We need to be willing to compromise a little here. Would I be willing to buy a safe to secure my guns if it means I can keep them, absolutely. Not so sure if I would be willing to put myself and my guns on a federal registry though. If it comes down to us needing to take some sort of phsych eval in order to purchase a gun, there had better be some sort of reform to the welfare and disability process. Mandatory drug testing, and these welfare baby factories need to be shut down as well. This is going to be an uphill battle.

 

[Jetpilot007]

We are on the road to a disarmed USA. Maybe not today, or next year but certainly within our lifetime.

100 years from now the US Constitution will be an unrecognizable document. Our great great grandchildren will wonder what is what like to live in a free United States.

 

[Gunzilla]

On a separate note, did anyone watch Bill O'Reilly this evening? He was advocating that every assault weapon owner register their firearm with the federal authorities.

In this instance Mr. O'Reilly is The Pinhead.

Billy also said, not long ago, that one could walk into a gun show here in AZ and buy a machine gun or a bazooka without any paperwork....the guy truly is an ignorant pinhead when it comes to guns and gun laws.

 

[ladder13]

Just like that, buy a safe(because Chuck Schumer and Diane Feinstein say that'll be good enough) and they'll be gracious and ALLOW us to keep our Constitutionally protected firearms? Yeah, sure
Oh,don't forget the psych eval......anything else?

Joe Biden has been put in charge with developing gun policy, I don't think a safe is going to stop his agenda, look at his history towards gun owners.

 

[patvin]

Someone is going to legislate and pass a new set of laws.....would you prefer it be the laws the gun-grabbers want or ones that we can say are ours....and that secures our rights?

Excellent point !

Every gun owner in America is now at risk of losing our gun rights because some people think it's OK to endanger their lives and the lives of everyone in their community.....by leaving unsecured weapons throughout their homes.

You are a smart man mister.
You are absolutly right ! We missed that point years ago, here in France...now we are doing that (talking around a table, with politics), and the law is changing for guns owners , here in France.
R.

 

[nickn10]

From Gunzilla; "Before you go ballistic think about how many of these mass shootings could have been avoided if only the guns used had been stored in a gun safe....and that's not taking into consideration the 400,000 guns per year that would not have been stolen, then possibly used in a crime that may have killed others."

You tell me how many! I think that is a smoke screen you are using to make a point that you believe in. Columbine, Aurora, Tucson, I'm sure would not change a damn thing with a safe. The latest in Conn. was from a family of shooters, who I'm sure the mother would have been greeted with open arms by this forum. Stop advocating more controls on law abiding citizens either through guilt or whatever your agenda is. What good is a gun in a safe when you need it. Do you ever read the "ARMED CITIZEN" page in the NRA magazine? Total up all the lives saved by having a gun close at hand against the total of people killed in MASS murder. Mass murder just get more media time.

 

[Welder1]

I don't believe the issuses causing the push for stricter gun control will be resolved until people look past that it has nothing to do with guns.

 

[Steely Dan]

Chicago averages 10 murders a week and not a peep about new laws in the state that has the most stringent gun laws in the nation. I don't see Obama going to those funerals or crying on TV about the home boys getting slaughtered.

Excellent point showing the hypocrisy of the situation.

Bottom line: You cannot legislate Evil.

 

[PDL]

That is the pinnacle of irresponsibility.

...and that's where you are wrong, ...once your guns are stolen and they are used to kill innocent civilians (maybe even you, or a family mamber) then it becomes everyone's business....and we are witnessing this on TV everyday since the mass murder at the school.

Every gun owner in America is now at risk of losing our gun rights because some people think it's OK to endanger their lives and the lives of everyone in their community.....by leaving unsecured weapons throughout their homes.

Not securing your weapons is equal to leaving your unoccupied car running, with the door open, in front of bar at closing time.

What is irresponsible is not sticking to facts. Don't put words in my mouth.

Like anyone else with an agenda, you only want to hear your views reflected, validated, and agreed with.

I said nothing about not securing weapons. I said it was none of your or the govenment's business how I dealt with my firearms in my home.

 

[Gunzilla]

From Gunzilla; "Before you go ballistic think about how many of these mass shootings could have been avoided if only the guns used had been stored in a gun safe....and that's not taking into consideration the 400,000 guns per year that would not have been stolen, then possibly used in a crime that may have killed others."

You tell me how many! I think that is a smoke screen you are using to make a point that you believe in. Columbine, Aurora, Tucson, I'm sure would not change a damn thing with a safe. The latest in Conn. was from a family of shooters, who I'm sure the mother would have been greeted with open arms by this forum. Stop advocating more controls on law abiding citizens either through guilt or whatever your agenda is. What good is a gun in a safe when you need it. Do you ever read the "ARMED CITIZEN" page in the NRA magazine? Total up all the lives saved by having a gun close at hand against the total of people killed in MASS murder. Mass murder just get more media time.

You too missed my statement that 'a gun safe will not prevent 100% of crime' or loony behavior....it will greatly reduce the availability of guns....and there is a ripple affect for that action.....less crime with guns.

400,000 guns are stolen EVERY SINGLE YEAR!!! If they stopped selling guns today it would take over 300 years to get the remained of stolen guns off the streets at the rate the police are confiscating stolen guns. So we will never see the end of gun crime!

I also did not intend to store every gun in that safe.....only the ones not being carried daily or used for home defense. That is the discretion of the gun owner...but that does not release them from responsibility for that firearm.

Being rigid and uncompromising will eventually lead to having no 2nd amendment at all, it's our chance to secure these rights before our government revokes them.

It's great that you are a law abiding gun owner, now if you would be a bit more responsible we'd all be a little bit safer.

 

[nickn10]

"There you go again" to quote Pres. Reagan. I am a responsible gun owner, and have been since 1961, none of my guns have ever been used unlawfully, stolen or pulled on a person even though I have a CCW permit since 1995. Oh, I also own a safe, my choice. My guess; I'm as responsible as you if not more so, thank you for your assumption.

 

[JohnnyTactical305]

We are at a point that "a goverment by the people for the people" is over. These politicians are doing whatever they can to control the citizens of this country.

 

[Wiredog]

Safes rediculous

The choice boils down to loosing our 2nd amendment or being REQUIRED to buy a gun safe. Which would you choose?

Before you go ballistic think about how many of these mass shootings could have been avoided if only the guns used had been stored in a gun safe....and that's not taking into consideration the 400,000 guns per year that would not have been stolen, then possibly used in a crime that may have killed others.

We have to get real about options to politicians attacking the 2nd amendment instead of attacking the real problem of securing the guns so we can secure our rights to own guns at all.

Granted, a gun safe will not be the 100% solution to eliminating mass murder with a firearm....but it will go a very long way to reducing the carnage to a minimum.

What options do you have that may keep our guns rights intact and unchanged.....all while greatly reducing the carnage by the mentally unstable?

We better get baseball bat safes and knife safes too then hey?
So strange to think like that. You have to look at the BIG picture but people don't like the truth because, as they say the truth hurts. Control control control, they must control everything. It's all psychological. Gun control and everything around it.
A gun is a tool. Good People use tools for the right things. Bad people use tools for bad things, how can this not be clear? You cannot keep the guns away from the crazies you have to keep the cazies away from your place and it's called security. With guns. Just hire some guards it works elsewhere. ya think?

 

[Wiredog]

You must have missed the part where I said 'a gun safe will NOT be the 100% solution'.

A gun safe will not eliminate all murder with guns, but it will greatly reduce the number of guns stolen every year, currently 400,000) and the number of guns used in murders......it will never stop the determined psychopaths.

BTW, If you have a safe with a key (or electronic keypad) you bought the wrong safe.

why spend the money on a safe trigger lock is cheaper.