I have all the respect in the world for peace officers, but when one shows up at my house to confiscate my firearms, he'll be the enemy. I hope it never comes to that, because on that day there will be a second civil war in this country.
What are the odds of confiscation?
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lots of good folks posting here...many of which are NOT members of the NRA...and there is really no excuse....c'mon guys join up!
Barefootdog
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The day this most recent tragady occurred I was talking to an old friend and made the comment that this incident was different from the earlier shootings.
The left remains in place and mobilized after the recent election. They immediately pivoted to this AWB as their next objective. They are being successful, the politicians are caving. MSNBC and NPR have no other mission at this time than selling the AWB.
Based upon the prior 4 years of history the current crop of people in charge in Washington and the bulk of the media consider the Constitution and Bill of Rights to be minor inconveniences.
The left remains in place and mobilized after the recent election. They immediately pivoted to this AWB as their next objective. They are being successful, the politicians are caving. MSNBC and NPR have no other mission at this time than selling the AWB.
Based upon the prior 4 years of history the current crop of people in charge in Washington and the bulk of the media consider the Constitution and Bill of Rights to be minor inconveniences.
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Sebago Son
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Sadly Barefootdog, you are correct...
Stophel
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Confiscation won't happen... at least not right away. That would cause too many people to fight back (rightly so). No, first they will start with a ban on the sale of "high capacity magazines", followed by a ban on the manufacture and sale of guns with the shoulder things that go up. This time, with no "sunset".
A heavy tax on guns and ammunition is always a possibility. Make ammo too expensive or unavailable, and guns become no more than clubs.
I'm surprised that there hasn't yet been a greater attack on shipping. Shipping is the weakest link in the gunowning chain. You can't buy a gun or ammo if the manufacturers cannot ship them at a reasonable cost.
A heavy tax on guns and ammunition is always a possibility. Make ammo too expensive or unavailable, and guns become no more than clubs.
I'm surprised that there hasn't yet been a greater attack on shipping. Shipping is the weakest link in the gunowning chain. You can't buy a gun or ammo if the manufacturers cannot ship them at a reasonable cost.
ray45
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Sorry, I can't agree with confronting your neighborhood police officer with the use of force. If it comes down to that you will have other options. These men are like you and me, they may not agree with what's going on either and they have families at home, just like you.
Stophel
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Everyone has a choice whether or not to "just follow orders". When you decide to participate in tyranny, you've made your choice.
The Russians learned early it was more effective not to use “locals” to enforce policy. Send Ukrainians to Poland, Poles to Russia, Russians to the Ukraine, etc. etc. That way they were not cracking down on friends and neighbors, they were cracking down on strangers and usually hostile, resentful strangers at that. I expect those in DC will follow a similar pattern when it suits their agenda.
Stophel
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Yeah, unless you live in a big city, I doubt you're gonna see too many of your local police officers and sheriffs kickin' in doors to steal your guns. It will be handled by the ATF (excuse me, the "BATFE", or whatever they like to call themselves now), the FBI, Homeland Security, the military, or some other arm of the central government.
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Awhile back I watched a DVD of a training film made for the CIA during the 1950s. It was about how the Communist take over a government and a country. Anyone care to quess where we are in this process?? Confiscation of All Firearms! The rest is already done to one degree or another.
GatorFarmer
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The hi cap mag ban already floating around the House allows for current possession. However.
Senator Feimstein has said for 20 plus years that she wants confiscation.
You should actually hope that they go for broke. I would expect Montana and some other states to secede over the issue. Unlike in 1861 there is now precedent for nations to dissolve - Yugoslavia, USSR, etc. Though not always peacefully. If the issue is relyy pushed I would suspect that South Carolina may secede - again. Overall odds of civil war? 1/4.
If your state has a state defense force - not the National Guard - you ought enlist. If they do not have one start forming a militia company with your friends and family.
For reference see the short film "Land of the Free" on Youtube.
Teach your children :"What do you do if someone tries to take your gun away?" "Shoot them in the head."
Senator Feimstein has said for 20 plus years that she wants confiscation.
You should actually hope that they go for broke. I would expect Montana and some other states to secede over the issue. Unlike in 1861 there is now precedent for nations to dissolve - Yugoslavia, USSR, etc. Though not always peacefully. If the issue is relyy pushed I would suspect that South Carolina may secede - again. Overall odds of civil war? 1/4.
If your state has a state defense force - not the National Guard - you ought enlist. If they do not have one start forming a militia company with your friends and family.
For reference see the short film "Land of the Free" on Youtube.
Teach your children :"What do you do if someone tries to take your gun away?" "Shoot them in the head."
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The Anti-gun folks use the strict guns laws in Australia, Britain and Canada as examples of good policies that have saved lives and made society safer. That's the position of their governments, not every citizen agrees. Another point to remember, the citizens of these countries (they are closely related) see themselves as "subjects", not as we see ourselves, as "citizens". There's a big difference, one that lead to our breaking free from the British.
Maddog 521
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Earlier today Eric Holder said "it is possible for the President to invoke Executive Privilege on this issue".
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Really?
Check again.
You may not be old enough to remember when "domestic violence" suddenly became a disqualifier for gun ownership. It was extended BACK to any prior conviction or plea or nolo plea with no exception.
DON'T get me wrong- I do NOT advocate or condone domestic violence. Period.
BUT, we suddenly had cops who had plead nolo to a charge of slapping their wives who were very suddenly disqualified from being cops OR even owning a gun.
I'm not sure why that was never overturned.
Does anyone know?
crofoot629
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Time for me to check the sofa cushions. I’ve probably got a couple hundred dollars in Mags “lost” in there.
Emory
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crofoot629
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President Obama has made a vow.
Some sort of change is coming.
Tax the heck out of ammo?
Declare “ban type weapons” as needing the same type paperwork and $ registration as SBR’s and Silencers?
President Obama has shown me a proven track record of taking action.
There’s been a lot of Hellfire Missiles obliterate people.
I’m just saying the guy has a track record of following through.
Emory
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Some sort of change is coming.
Tax the heck out of ammo?
Declare “ban type weapons” as needing the same type paperwork and $ registration as SBR’s and Silencers?
President Obama has shown me a proven track record of taking action.
There’s been a lot of Hellfire Missiles obliterate people.
I’m just saying the guy has a track record of following through.
Emory
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Honest Men Fear Neither The Light Nor The Dark
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CW Spook
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You can look to Canada, England & Oz to see where this is headed if it's not stopped. I don't believe confiscation is in the cards, at least not in the near term, as I think it really would provoke a civil war. Google up a copy of "Unintended Consequences".
They'll have a choice whether they want to defend the Constitution or trample on it. I hope they make the right one, because those that go out confiscating guns will have a high percentage of not coming home that night.
Sebago Son
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Lautenberg
Because Lee, it was postulated by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) a powerful and arguably corrupt politician. Lautenberg needed political currency with female voters at the time and created such a hot potato out of the issue that no one would go near it for fear of being branded as supporting "Domestic Abuse". Lautenberg serves on the Appropriations Committee and in 1996 tacked his amendment onto the Appropriations Act of 1997.
While Lautenberg has been challenged, so far, no Appellate Court has accepted arguments against it.
I knew Police Officers at the time (1997) that were just short of retirement when the ATF letter went out. Some were discharged, others were forced onto the rubber gun squad because they could no longer legally possess firearms. This as a result of a 20 year old mutual assault or simple assault convictions. Many had plead to this charge upon the advice of council.
Even on it's face this Amendment is unconstitutional but so far no one has had the stones to push it very far...
Because Lee, it was postulated by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) a powerful and arguably corrupt politician. Lautenberg needed political currency with female voters at the time and created such a hot potato out of the issue that no one would go near it for fear of being branded as supporting "Domestic Abuse". Lautenberg serves on the Appropriations Committee and in 1996 tacked his amendment onto the Appropriations Act of 1997.
While Lautenberg has been challenged, so far, no Appellate Court has accepted arguments against it.
I knew Police Officers at the time (1997) that were just short of retirement when the ATF letter went out. Some were discharged, others were forced onto the rubber gun squad because they could no longer legally possess firearms. This as a result of a 20 year old mutual assault or simple assault convictions. Many had plead to this charge upon the advice of council.
Even on it's face this Amendment is unconstitutional but so far no one has had the stones to push it very far...
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