Awhile back I watched a DVD of a training film made for the CIA during the 1950s. It was about how the Communist take over a government and a country. Anyone care to quess where we are in this process?? Confiscation of All Firearms! The rest is already done to one degree or another.
What are the odds of confiscation?
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GatorFarmer
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The hi cap mag ban already floating around the House allows for current possession. However.
Senator Feimstein has said for 20 plus years that she wants confiscation.
You should actually hope that they go for broke. I would expect Montana and some other states to secede over the issue. Unlike in 1861 there is now precedent for nations to dissolve - Yugoslavia, USSR, etc. Though not always peacefully. If the issue is relyy pushed I would suspect that South Carolina may secede - again. Overall odds of civil war? 1/4.
If your state has a state defense force - not the National Guard - you ought enlist. If they do not have one start forming a militia company with your friends and family.
For reference see the short film "Land of the Free" on Youtube.
Teach your children :"What do you do if someone tries to take your gun away?" "Shoot them in the head."
Senator Feimstein has said for 20 plus years that she wants confiscation.
You should actually hope that they go for broke. I would expect Montana and some other states to secede over the issue. Unlike in 1861 there is now precedent for nations to dissolve - Yugoslavia, USSR, etc. Though not always peacefully. If the issue is relyy pushed I would suspect that South Carolina may secede - again. Overall odds of civil war? 1/4.
If your state has a state defense force - not the National Guard - you ought enlist. If they do not have one start forming a militia company with your friends and family.
For reference see the short film "Land of the Free" on Youtube.
Teach your children :"What do you do if someone tries to take your gun away?" "Shoot them in the head."
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The Anti-gun folks use the strict guns laws in Australia, Britain and Canada as examples of good policies that have saved lives and made society safer. That's the position of their governments, not every citizen agrees. Another point to remember, the citizens of these countries (they are closely related) see themselves as "subjects", not as we see ourselves, as "citizens". There's a big difference, one that lead to our breaking free from the British.
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Earlier today Eric Holder said "it is possible for the President to invoke Executive Privilege on this issue".
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Really?
Check again.
You may not be old enough to remember when "domestic violence" suddenly became a disqualifier for gun ownership. It was extended BACK to any prior conviction or plea or nolo plea with no exception.
DON'T get me wrong- I do NOT advocate or condone domestic violence. Period.
BUT, we suddenly had cops who had plead nolo to a charge of slapping their wives who were very suddenly disqualified from being cops OR even owning a gun.
I'm not sure why that was never overturned.
Does anyone know?
crofoot629
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Time for me to check the sofa cushions. I've probably got a couple hundred dollars in Mags "lost" in there.
Emory
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crofoot629
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President Obama has made a vow.
Some sort of change is coming.
Tax the heck out of ammo?
Declare "ban type weapons" as needing the same type paperwork and $ registration as SBR's and Silencers?
President Obama has shown me a proven track record of taking action.
There's been a lot of Hellfire Missiles obliterate people.
I'm just saying the guy has a track record of following through.
Emory
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Some sort of change is coming.
Tax the heck out of ammo?
Declare "ban type weapons" as needing the same type paperwork and $ registration as SBR's and Silencers?
President Obama has shown me a proven track record of taking action.
There's been a lot of Hellfire Missiles obliterate people.
I'm just saying the guy has a track record of following through.
Emory
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Honest Men Fear Neither The Light Nor The Dark
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CW Spook
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You can look to Canada, England & Oz to see where this is headed if it's not stopped. I don't believe confiscation is in the cards, at least not in the near term, as I think it really would provoke a civil war. Google up a copy of "Unintended Consequences".
They'll have a choice whether they want to defend the Constitution or trample on it. I hope they make the right one, because those that go out confiscating guns will have a high percentage of not coming home that night.
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Lautenberg
Because Lee, it was postulated by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) a powerful and arguably corrupt politician. Lautenberg needed political currency with female voters at the time and created such a hot potato out of the issue that no one would go near it for fear of being branded as supporting "Domestic Abuse". Lautenberg serves on the Appropriations Committee and in 1996 tacked his amendment onto the Appropriations Act of 1997.
While Lautenberg has been challenged, so far, no Appellate Court has accepted arguments against it.
I knew Police Officers at the time (1997) that were just short of retirement when the ATF letter went out. Some were discharged, others were forced onto the rubber gun squad because they could no longer legally possess firearms. This as a result of a 20 year old mutual assault or simple assault convictions. Many had plead to this charge upon the advice of council.
Even on it's face this Amendment is unconstitutional but so far no one has had the stones to push it very far...
Because Lee, it was postulated by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) a powerful and arguably corrupt politician. Lautenberg needed political currency with female voters at the time and created such a hot potato out of the issue that no one would go near it for fear of being branded as supporting "Domestic Abuse". Lautenberg serves on the Appropriations Committee and in 1996 tacked his amendment onto the Appropriations Act of 1997.
While Lautenberg has been challenged, so far, no Appellate Court has accepted arguments against it.
I knew Police Officers at the time (1997) that were just short of retirement when the ATF letter went out. Some were discharged, others were forced onto the rubber gun squad because they could no longer legally possess firearms. This as a result of a 20 year old mutual assault or simple assault convictions. Many had plead to this charge upon the advice of council.
Even on it's face this Amendment is unconstitutional but so far no one has had the stones to push it very far...
shotguntom
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What he said. People have to understand that this is a possible scenario. Some folks arent just gonna hand them over. I see where gdogs is coming from. I myself cant say what I may or may not choose to do. If the time comes that confiscation is the govt choice, well then ,as the saying goes, "the ball is our court".
God Bless The U.S.
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I don't believe it will happen. I'm not saying it isn't possible. Probable restrictions could be: Restricting magazines to 10 rds. Bullet buttons. Restrictions on private party sales of existing assault weapons. More involved buyer backround investigation which would make it longer than a 10 day wait. 10 day, or more, wait for all states. Limit ammunition purchases. If multiple gun purchase, paperwork for each gun bought and increase in backround check for each form. This is my opinion.
This turned out to be a good discussion with many valid points and opinions. I tend to lean that confiscation will. ot happen but there will be very strick limitations enacted and bans on all mags over 10 rounds.
If the store has another one left in stock I am buying it.
If the store has another one left in stock I am buying it.
Just had a great yard sale. All my guns are sold. Going out for a huge steak dinner tonight.
Russ
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Some Brits & Aussies moved to the U.S. to get away from repressive gun laws. If the U.S.A. becomes the next UK or Australia in terms of gun control, sadly, I'll have to seriously consider moving to a more firearms friendly nation and renouncing U.S. citizenship.
Until then, I'm writing my elected officials every week. I'm going to become more active in my state rifle association. I'm setting a goal of introducing a total newbie to the shooting sports at least once a month. The more people that participate in the shooting sports, the more people we have on our side.
I'm taking a female co-worker to the range over the holiday break to teach her the basic fundamentals of firearms safety, handling, and shooting. I walked out of work with some 8X11 pieces of scrap cardboard. She asked why I had them, and I told her because I could see projectile impact better on them than just plain paper. Apparently she always wanted to learn how to shoot, but didn't know any one who did. I offered to teach.
It's amazing the enthusiasm of a new firearms enthusiast. All the different questions about which gun, what caliber, etc.
Until then, I'm writing my elected officials every week. I'm going to become more active in my state rifle association. I'm setting a goal of introducing a total newbie to the shooting sports at least once a month. The more people that participate in the shooting sports, the more people we have on our side.
I'm taking a female co-worker to the range over the holiday break to teach her the basic fundamentals of firearms safety, handling, and shooting. I walked out of work with some 8X11 pieces of scrap cardboard. She asked why I had them, and I told her because I could see projectile impact better on them than just plain paper. Apparently she always wanted to learn how to shoot, but didn't know any one who did. I offered to teach.
It's amazing the enthusiasm of a new firearms enthusiast. All the different questions about which gun, what caliber, etc.
With the current crowd in DC, constitutionality may not be an impediment to what the left wants to impose. As has been stated above, the Lautenburg amendment was totally an ex post facto law, prohibited by the constitution, yet it has stood for 15 years.
And that law was passed with a less radical congress than what we have now.
We are already hearing of Republican weakness in this fight, so I fear the very worst. Time will tell.
And that law was passed with a less radical congress than what we have now.
We are already hearing of Republican weakness in this fight, so I fear the very worst. Time will tell.
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When? AFAIK Germans can own guns
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i just saw a figure of 8000 new NRA members per day since the tragedy in ct.excellent but....we need more
Plazzman
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Why do you think the politicians want guns taken away. They know that some kind of revolution are civil war could come about and there will be a cross hair on their heads. They are scared on what could happen with all that fire power in peoples hands.
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I could see a future situation of going to a store to buy ammo............"May I help you"? "Yes, I need 100 rounds of .38 +P please" "Sure, I just need some ID and run a quick check"............"Sorry sir, looks like you have already purchased 50 rounds of ammunition in the past 6 months, you can only legally purchase 100 rounds in a calendar year. It's the law now". "Also, that ammunition becomes ineffective after one year so any cartridges you buy will not fire, the powder goes bad and the ammo is useless"
More than 50% of Americans support President Obama. Not because they like what he did, but because they trust that what he will do will be for the better. They will let him continue on his journey. Here's what I think will happen.
1. Some kind of AWB plus 10 round limit for magazines.
This wil happen despite the arguments from NRA and 2nd Amendment supporters that this is a band-aid.
2. Another Newtown tragedy.
3. The anti-2nd Amendment crowd will yell: "NRA was right! This is not helping! All semi-auto firearms must be banned!"
4. Semi-auto ban is enacted.
5. Another Virginia Tech....
6. Confiscation. Alright, not confiscation. Voluntary surrender.
7. Union of American Socialist Republics.
1. Some kind of AWB plus 10 round limit for magazines.
This wil happen despite the arguments from NRA and 2nd Amendment supporters that this is a band-aid.
2. Another Newtown tragedy.
3. The anti-2nd Amendment crowd will yell: "NRA was right! This is not helping! All semi-auto firearms must be banned!"
4. Semi-auto ban is enacted.
5. Another Virginia Tech....
6. Confiscation. Alright, not confiscation. Voluntary surrender.
7. Union of American Socialist Republics.
Look at environmental law. It's is very common for a company to be fined for something it did in the 1960s even if what they did was perfectly legal in the 1960s.
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I'd say you're in the ball park concerning what will happen. Regarding confiscation, I just can't picture the government going into states like Texas, or Montana, Kentucky or Virginia and telling those folks "Ok everyone, you're being ordered to turn in all your guns". And being law and order citizens, with a high regard for the Congress that made that order, I'm sure they would quickly comply.
Moonman
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Place more of your energies into LOBBYING politicos, newspapers, magazines, social media, and not just posting on firearms forums.
Invest your wallet with the only REAL GAME IN TOWN, the NRA.
Take time to learn about ALL the services the NRA provides, so you can explain things to naysayers in a rational manner.
Invest your wallet with the only REAL GAME IN TOWN, the NRA.
Take time to learn about ALL the services the NRA provides, so you can explain things to naysayers in a rational manner.
Plinker1962
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If it's a federal ban on assault weapons, I do not think you're going to see local LE going house-to-house picking up weapons. Most likely will be FBI, Homeland Security, or some other fed agency. Also, they're only acting on orders to confiscate so don't blame them. But we're getting ahead of ourselves here. There is nothing yet that says assault weapons have to be turned in.
Sebago Son
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Not Always....
Unless of course they are in the new, "priviledged" class.
Feds look other way as wind farms kill birds -- but haul oil and gas firms to court | Fox News
There's a lesson here too...
Unless of course they are in the new, "priviledged" class.
Feds look other way as wind farms kill birds -- but haul oil and gas firms to court | Fox News
There's a lesson here too...
danysw
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Donate to NRA everybody. Tell your gun owners friends to join us. IMHO that's the best way to fight back all this.
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If you value your Second Amendment rights you MUST be a member. The NRA is not perfect but they are the most effective organization around.
So please join. If you've been a member and lapsed, please join back up.
Write to both your senators and your congressman. And Speaker of the House Boehner.
There is no guarantee any Assault Weapons Ban will pass - IF folks stand up and make themselves heard.
But if all we gunowners do is go out and panic buy because we fear an "inevitable" AWB bill is coming, the Second Amendment is in big trouble.
So here's the plan:
1. Join the NRA.
2. Write your reps in Congress.
3. Encourage every gun owner you know to do the same.
Do this and the odds of restrictive legislation passing go way down.
If you value your Second Amendment rights you MUST be a member. The NRA is not perfect but they are the most effective organization around.
So please join. If you've been a member and lapsed, please join back up.
Write to both your senators and your congressman. And Speaker of the House Boehner.
There is no guarantee any Assault Weapons Ban will pass - IF folks stand up and make themselves heard.
But if all we gunowners do is go out and panic buy because we fear an "inevitable" AWB bill is coming, the Second Amendment is in big trouble.
So here's the plan:
1. Join the NRA.
2. Write your reps in Congress.
3. Encourage every gun owner you know to do the same.
Do this and the odds of restrictive legislation passing go way down.
