You'll get another email update from Cabelas soon, with the tentative shipping date much much later than Febuary 2013.
If a big supplier like Cabelas can't get their hands on S&W mags for one year, you know something isn't right.
S&W 25rd Mags....backorder update from Cabelas
- Thread starter Greggo556
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You'll get another email update from Cabelas soon, with the tentative shipping date much much later than Febuary 2013.
If a big supplier like Cabelas can't get their hands on S&W mags for one year, you know something isn't right.
This is my 3rd order update email from Cabelas. Every new email has pushed the tentative shipping date backwards.
Thank you for your recent order. We appreciate your shopping at Cabela's and hope that you had an enjoyable shopping experience. Products Ordered 3 of 23-0384 MP15-22 25RD PER3 MP15-22 MAG 25RDPER3 Backorder-Tentative arrival to Cabelas 12/30/13 Total Merchandise = $179.97 Postage = $16.95 ORDER TOTAL = $196.92 Payment Types Used On This Order
Credit Card -- VISA XXXX = $196.92
For Further assistance, contact our Customer Service Department phone; (800) 237-4444 fax (308) 254-6745 or email [email protected]. Thank you.
Get the best deals, exclusive sales and sneak previews of new products with our FREE e-mail newsletter. Sign up is quick and easy from the following link. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/registration/newsletter-home.jsp
As the World's Foremost Outfitter, Cabela's has everything you need for hunting, fishing, camping and the great outdoors. Visit Cabela's: Cabela's Official Website - Quality Hunting, Fishing, Camping and Outdoor Gear at competitive prices. for our incredible selection.
Thank you for your recent order. We appreciate your shopping at Cabela's and hope that you had an enjoyable shopping experience. Products Ordered 3 of 23-0384 MP15-22 25RD PER3 MP15-22 MAG 25RDPER3 Backorder-Tentative arrival to Cabelas 12/30/13 Total Merchandise = $179.97 Postage = $16.95 ORDER TOTAL = $196.92 Payment Types Used On This Order
Credit Card -- VISA XXXX = $196.92
For Further assistance, contact our Customer Service Department phone; (800) 237-4444 fax (308) 254-6745 or email [email protected]. Thank you.
Get the best deals, exclusive sales and sneak previews of new products with our FREE e-mail newsletter. Sign up is quick and easy from the following link. http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/registration/newsletter-home.jsp
As the World's Foremost Outfitter, Cabela's has everything you need for hunting, fishing, camping and the great outdoors. Visit Cabela's: Cabela's Official Website - Quality Hunting, Fishing, Camping and Outdoor Gear at competitive prices. for our incredible selection.
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Greggo is right. The above email was the last correspondence i had received from Cabellas. I decided to just chat with a customer service rep after not getting the email he got, "Carmen" just told me December 30, 2013.
Majorlk
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S&W doesn't produce the magazines. They are manufactured FOR S&W by MagPul and it's contractors. S&W can't sell what MagPul isn't producing.
You're right. And apparently Magpul doesn't have the time to bother producing anymore 15-22 mags for the next 9 months, and it appears that S&W is okay with this.
How hard could these mags be to produce? Surely Magpul doesn't own the sole rights to S&W's mag patent. Well maybe they infact do, but that doesn't sound like a very bright business strategy for a proprietary rifle.
Any small time shop with the right tooling can produce polymer mags. But S&W has the best design by far, and alot of us refuse to purchase sub-standard aftermarket mags with an inferior design.
The market is here and now, I just don't get why S&W can't break free from Magpul for a year, and let a small time shop knockout all of these back orders.
If the left has their way with us....by Dec. 30th 2013, we won't even be able to legally purchase these mags. It's anyones guess if that will actually happen or not....but some of us are going to remember how little effort S&W has put into dispelling their customers concerns and letting us wait so dang long for products to materialize.
"how little effort S&W has put into dispelling their customers concerns..." Well, this is not only S&W problem - try to buy right now magazine for Sig522 or Colt M4 .22. This is market shortage driven by liberal politics and policies. Imagine - If we spent only 10% of time tahat we look for .22 ammo and call our representative – or donate $1 (ONE) dollar to NRA per every 1000 rounds of ammo we purchased this year… Problem will be solved.
Majorlk
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(1) it's called a contract.
(2) Small shops can't produce the volume required. You can't tool up for something like this overnight, either from a cost or logistics standpoint.
It's simply not that simple. One member here has finally bought a brass deflector to market after several months in development and pre-production. And it's a lot less complicated than a magazine.
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The reason they don't let someone else make it because they probably signed a legally binding contract with Magpul to produce their mags. Magpul is producing just enough to fill S&W production runs only. They are fulfilling their end of the contract. Unfortunately, the rest of us are going to have to wait for any extra mags. Now I don't know why S&W doesn't add a certain amount to their orders to fulfill the requests for the mags only. I suspect that they have placed an order repeatedly for a specific amount based on S&W production numbers and Magpul knows this number. As a result, Magpul only allows a certain amount of machine time to run the Smith orders. Does this make sense? Since I hear that Magpul may be moving. lets all hope that they move into a bigger facility with more machinery/employees to help out with this problem. Remember this is a "perfect storm" in this industry and will be talked about for several years to come. Sorry for the long response and I hope it helps. Please bear in mind these are only my thoughts not any official inside knowledge. I based this response on my 16 years in manufacturing.
RedNeck Jim
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Assuming the magazines are injected molded, then it is rather simple to move your production to another similar facility. You don't tool up all over again... you just move the existing molds, assuming S&W owns the tooling. All you need is similar tonnage machines, and the parts could be made anywhere.
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Majorlk
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Well, if all the tooling is already in use, then you DO have to consider the cost and logistics of starting up a new plant. It's NOT a mom-and-pop operation. And the tooling is most likely all owned by MagPul, not S&W. S&W owns the design.
There is nothing factual to indicate that MagPul ISN'T producing S&W magazines.
Smith probably paid for the molds/dies but the manufacturing plant owns the machinery. Yes, the machinery can be moved, but you have to allow for "set up" time. Not every plant may use the same exact machine/ method so the molds/dies may or may not fit another machine. Usually the dies/molds stay at the plant. I never heard of a customer requesting "their" dies/molds so they can be used at another facility. I suppose they cpould but I never heard of a company actually doing it. Again this is just my experience, maybe someone else has a different experience.
RPeacock1128
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I would never purchase a S&W Magazine off GunBroker but if you check now there are fewer and fewer available. A few weeks ago there were pages of magazines - now it is getting slimmer and there are more non S&W mixed in. I haven't heard of anyone getting a new shipment in weeks.
If magpul moves, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes at least 6 to 8 weeks at the earliest to be up and running. They will have to find existing building or have one built, hire new workers, train people, set up machinery etc. Usually from when a company breaks ground to actually producing a product is a year. Remember permits, OSHA regs and inspection, all kind of things have to be performed before the first product leaves the building.
Something tells me that the state lucky enogh to be chosen will happilly speed the process along. and I would think alot of the original employees would go with them.
Most people don't realize how much has to be done in order to move a plant and get it back up and running. It is not something that is done overnight. It is a major undertaking. If magpul moves, their orders are going to be pushed back further too. So we will have a longer wait for mags. That will really test peoples patience. I am glad I have the ones I have and really do not need anymore. Now Pmags for the AR, That is a different story.....
RedNeck Jim
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SI never heard of a customer requesting "their" dies/molds so they can be used at another facility. I suppose they cpould but I never heard of a company actually doing it. Again this is just my experience, maybe someone else has a different experience.
I own the tooling on some of our parts & have moved that tooling to different molders. All these injection molding machines are pretty standard. It is just a matter of making sure you have the proper size (tonnage) machine.
Ease of switching locations depends on what tooling they own. Some folks just purchase the cores & cavities, which gives you your parts, but don't own the mold bases... the part of the tooling that actually attaches to the machine. Others own the whole setup, which makes changing locations easier.
In reality, most manufactures move the tooling themselves. Unless the part runs 24/7 365 days a year, the tooling (mold) is taken down at the end of the production run. When it goes back into production later, good chance it will be on another totally different machine.
The state can speed up permit process but machinery and safety aspects are left to OSHA rules/regs. THAT alone is enough to start drinking alcohol. And they may not ask the employees to go with them. That is a company decision. Believe me, I can attest to that personally. The smart thing to do is open another plant wherever and put new essential machinery in it and start running and then phase out machinery from the old plant. That is probably what they will do to keep the production going and not interrupt their business. I bet that is what they will do because that makes the most sense.
TheMaineEvent
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Agreed. It makes more sense to ramp up production in a new plant and then close the old one down. Remember, they don't have to stop production at the existing plant. It's their choice to close it down so they can keep making mags until the new plant is running at capacity.
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The state can speed up permit process but machinery and safety aspects are left to OSHA rules/regs. THAT alone is enough to start drinking alcohol. And they may not ask the employees to go with them. That is a company decision. Believe me, I can attest to that personally. The smart thing to do is open another plant wherever and put new essential machinery in it and start running and then phase out machinery from the old plant. That is probably what they will do to keep the production going and not interrupt their business. I bet that is what they will do because that makes the most sense.
A company that is moving their operation based on principals would most definatly invite all worthwhile employees along for the ride. That was my personal experiance.
I don't recall, after repurposing a plant, having to get OSHA approval before production began. Just the usuall walkthru at some point afterwords.
Still no backorder update from Cabela's to 12/2013 not much we can do either way. Maybe their email system is on backorder too...
On the bright side they shipped my PMAGS I ordered on 2/7 last Friday will be here Thursday!
S&W probably has plenty to sell with new rifles...
Crying shame they don't get out in front of this and tell folks what is going on, I can hear the bad PR building. In my experience, bad news does not get better with time. This is the first S&W I've bought since the gun control debacle from years ago so I can relate to how long people hold grudges.
On the bright side they shipped my PMAGS I ordered on 2/7 last Friday will be here Thursday!
S&W probably has plenty to sell with new rifles...
Crying shame they don't get out in front of this and tell folks what is going on, I can hear the bad PR building. In my experience, bad news does not get better with time. This is the first S&W I've bought since the gun control debacle from years ago so I can relate to how long people hold grudges.
