Cannot recommend M&P pistols right now
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bulldogman
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S&W as a brand seems to be increasing market share with the popularity of the Shield and LEO contracts and in general the success of the entire M&P line. If Mec Gar is their supplier for mags then they are probably producing mags and trying to meet demand as fast as they can.
I think the gun purchasing craze has slowed down and we should start seeing mags become more available. For those that are calling for these companies to ramp up production through new machinery purchases and the hiring of additional employees have to think about what do these companies do with this machinery and the surplus employees when demand goes back to normal. I'm sure these companies tread a very fine line when it comes to expansion and trying to meet temporary increases in demand. As a result there will be some unhappy customers.
I think the gun purchasing craze has slowed down and we should start seeing mags become more available. For those that are calling for these companies to ramp up production through new machinery purchases and the hiring of additional employees have to think about what do these companies do with this machinery and the surplus employees when demand goes back to normal. I'm sure these companies tread a very fine line when it comes to expansion and trying to meet temporary increases in demand. As a result there will be some unhappy customers.
Rastoff
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This is just insulting. We should be working together as gun enthusiasts. Instead price gouging greedy companies like this are eating their own.
I will remember this when I go shopping in the future.
Some of the posts for this thread seem to have strayed from the intent (or at least my understanding of it) of the orginal post. S&W has done a poor job suppoprting their products by not adequately providing magazines for an extended period of time. S&W has done an even poorer job providing it's customer base with information about when, if ever, this situation might be addressed. Let's not forget, the lack of magazines, appears to exists accross multiple product lines. I have several M&P pistols and enjoy them all. However, I purchased another competing brand recently when looking for a full size 9mm - because - the lack of magazines. I really enjoy the new pistol. I don't recommend or not recommend pistols - but I no longer look at S&W products - other products are better supported and just as good.
Riflemann
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Well I have the time to wait for the mags to show up, most people never buy extra mags.
Some people will b**ch if hung with a new rope!
Some people will b**ch if hung with a new rope!
DocSunShine
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I believe that's changed since Sandy Hook, I think most people are buying everything they believe they think they may ever need, if they can afford to do so.
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While I don't agree with all of the OP arguments I understand the frustration. I looked for over 3 months before I found extra M&P 9c mags. When people ask about it, I say it's a great gun, but don't buy it right now unless you are happy with just 2 mags. My next buy is a , and right. Now the M&P is not on my short list. Not because the mags aren't available. Because I'm a little soured on S&W right now due to want seems like their lack of response to the problem. It may concern them but that's not the perception and perception is everything.
DocSunShine
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Smith's track record shows they do care and do listen. They fixed the 9mm barrel issue, fixed the trigger reset issue, those were the biggest gripes. According to Smith reps I've been told they've had an unexpectedly high number of law enforcement agencies switching over to the M&P, couple that with Sandy Hook and they've hit demand they've been unable to keep up with.
The same Smith rep told me they're fully aware of the problem and are working to correct it and to expect mags in the very near future. Be patient and have some faith in Smith.
I also own a SCAR 17s, which I bought at a time everyone was whining about mags. Now mags are falling from the damn sky!
BobC357
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The day I pay that price for a 17 rnd mag, I need to get my head examined. I bought several at various places by waiting and looking and I didn't pay over $30 for any of them. $99 is a rip-off for sure. They are out there but you'll need to spend more than a minute or two with the search engines and check twice a day to find them. They don't last long when they do hit the net.
Magazines for ALL of the best selling handguns are hard to find.
Every weekend I see people buy guns knowing that ammo and magazines are hard to find. It's their fault if they don't succeed in finding them.
Complaining and blaming the manufacturers shows a lack of common sense. Blame those that buy and then sell them at a substantial mark up.
Every weekend I see people buy guns knowing that ammo and magazines are hard to find. It's their fault if they don't succeed in finding them.
Complaining and blaming the manufacturers shows a lack of common sense. Blame those that buy and then sell them at a substantial mark up.
Rastoff
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I actually caught myself a couple months ago. I found a place that had M&P .45 mags for a reasonable price. I said to myself, "Self, you could buy a bunch and sell them for double." So, I bought a bunch. When they showed up at my door I realized what I was proposing.
I smacked myself hard for even having the thought and kept the mags. I refuse to take advantage of fellow shooters. I want to promote gun enthusiasm not bring it down.
I smacked myself hard for even having the thought and kept the mags. I refuse to take advantage of fellow shooters. I want to promote gun enthusiasm not bring it down.
uechikid
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Hmmmm, you don't recommend an M&P 9 because you can't get mags? I guess if you're a competition shooter that might make sense, but the average joe/jane looking to buy a great gun to learn to shoot and to use for self defense? You're way out of line. They come with two mags which is just fine for general range use. If you really need mags that will work for commutation you can buy some 2nd gen promags at about half the price of factory S&W mags.
buzzkillbob
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Huh...so, I take it you can't recommend any gun right now since "stuff" is hard to find.
I bought an M&P 9 in July...knowing ammo is hard to find...knowing mags are hard to find. Don't care because, 1) don't plan to use more than two mags, 2) I've been patient waiting on other ammo, I can wait now too. I feel I made a well-informed purchase.
Sometimes one just has to make do with what they have or can afford. This "I want it now" society thinks everything should be available right when they want it. Heaven forbid if one has to actually wait for something.
I bought an M&P 9 in July...knowing ammo is hard to find...knowing mags are hard to find. Don't care because, 1) don't plan to use more than two mags, 2) I've been patient waiting on other ammo, I can wait now too. I feel I made a well-informed purchase.
Sometimes one just has to make do with what they have or can afford. This "I want it now" society thinks everything should be available right when they want it. Heaven forbid if one has to actually wait for something.
jepkr
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of the people defending S&W in here are hilarious... "2 mags is just fine for general range use", "I bought in July and know I have to wait", lol. How about for those of us that bought in December right before the panic and haven't seen a factory mag available in over 9 months? When you pay $20 to goto the shooting range, do you like to spend your time shooting or reloading magazines every 34 rounds? I only own 2 S&W products and I find them to be of high quality, but you can bet your *** that I would not have purchased an M&P 9mm if I had known this in advance. Like the OP, at this time, I would not recommend S&W products to anyone that I know.
I challenge anyone defending S&W on this issue to point out any other major gun manufacturer that has done as poor or poorer of a job at supporting existing customers with essential accessories. I can easily find mags for any other major brand/model of pistol, and it has been this way for a while now. M&P?? Vaporware. People say "it's the industry, Mec-Gar can't keep up". Why is it that I was able to find Mec-Gar made mags available for most other manufacturer's pistols in the first few hits on google, yet you could scroll through 50 pages of M&P 17rd magazine listings and every single one of them will be out of stock? We're not talking about some random H&K mag that costs more than gold and not many people are looking for, we are talking the M&P 9mm (as well as every other M&P except the 45). To me, this either means that S&W is incompetent (the most likely explanation) or that they simply do not care about supporting existing customers (they don't seem to have any problem supplying mags with new guns).
I challenge anyone defending S&W on this issue to point out any other major gun manufacturer that has done as poor or poorer of a job at supporting existing customers with essential accessories. I can easily find mags for any other major brand/model of pistol, and it has been this way for a while now. M&P?? Vaporware. People say "it's the industry, Mec-Gar can't keep up". Why is it that I was able to find Mec-Gar made mags available for most other manufacturer's pistols in the first few hits on google, yet you could scroll through 50 pages of M&P 17rd magazine listings and every single one of them will be out of stock? We're not talking about some random H&K mag that costs more than gold and not many people are looking for, we are talking the M&P 9mm (as well as every other M&P except the 45). To me, this either means that S&W is incompetent (the most likely explanation) or that they simply do not care about supporting existing customers (they don't seem to have any problem supplying mags with new guns).
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Nitrous SSC
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I usually only take 2 mags with me to the indoor range. Does your shooting range charge by the second vs hour?
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Seriously!
Badquaker
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I usually post on adult oriented boards with slightly more leeway in content, so I apologize now if I upset anyone.
What a bunch of whiners. Get your panties out of your butt crack, and get on with life.
Unless you use your weapon to earn a living, shooting with only two mags ain't that bad. If you shoot for a living, then the extortion level pricing for some mags is just a cost of doing business. If the worst thing that happened to me today is that I needed to reload every 34 rounds, instead of 51, 68, or some higher number, I would consider that a "win".
I wish a mag shortage was the worst thing in my life so I could cry online about it.
What a bunch of whiners. Get your panties out of your butt crack, and get on with life.
Unless you use your weapon to earn a living, shooting with only two mags ain't that bad. If you shoot for a living, then the extortion level pricing for some mags is just a cost of doing business. If the worst thing that happened to me today is that I needed to reload every 34 rounds, instead of 51, 68, or some higher number, I would consider that a "win".
I wish a mag shortage was the worst thing in my life so I could cry online about it.
I wish I could cry about people crying as well as you. I paid a premium price for a pistol and I think I should be able to purchase what I consider essential accessories in a reasonable timeframe. We are simply recommending people not to purchase a new M&P unless you think the magic dust the M&P uses to fire is worth not having more than 2 mags, seeing as how you can purchase nearly any other pistol and get all the mags you need. Do I have a right to complain online and warn others from falling into the same trap of purchasing a product without knowing the manufacturer would be unable to support said product (especially now that the panic is practically gone)? I think yes.
It is also ok if you think reloading every 34 rounds is not an annoyance, for me it is a major one and S&W isn't the only name in town. Would you purchase a cordless tool set from a company that only gives you 1 battery and doesn't allow you to purchase any additional batteries, requiring you to recharge and take a break every hour or two? Maybe if they were the only company making cordless tools. I guess silly peons like myself just want to be able to use the products we paid a lot of money for.
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