Starbucks caved

[Arik]

Arik, thats means you need to tighten your belt.

that picture is riduculous and those firearms should be confinscated by the police. anywhere else that could easily be a lawsuit waiting to happen, or a "alleged" threat. just irresponsible

o to add...no you dont need 30rnd mags or 100rnd drums to hunt, but 2a isnt about hunting is it? i saw that on a shirt

Lol, I do! For me CC = gun is supported on both sides. OC= it still pulls down more so than CC.



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[smokindog]

Don't know why this has become so controversial. This is the way things should work. They have made a choice and are willing to live with the consequences of that choice. I don't agree with it but that's my choice to no longer frequent their stores. I may have individual concerns as to the impact on franchise owners but ...

It's definitely better than the bans put in effect by cities/towns. At the risk of raising even more controversy, I would rather see cigarette smoking be resolved by individual business owners than government decree. After all, they are a legal substance.

For me, anytime the private sector is in control to make choices and pay the price for those choices, the system is working. Anytime the government mandates choices, the system is broke!!!!

 

[Arik]

my point has nothing to do with open carry or concealed carry your opinions on either. it has to do with starbucks taking a stance against gun owners, after the gun owners spent a lot of money to offset boycotts.

yes, the open carry people went to far and my guess is that many of them would not normally open carry, but were doing it to make a point.

I, like many of you, see no point in open carry in a metropolitan environement, but understand that some states recognize it(mine included) as a right.

we need to stand against all oppression, this is not any better than magazine limits, or barrel shrouds being the things that go up. it's a foothold for another crack at all of us.

I dont care if one carries OC or CC. All I care about is how that person behaves. Act like an adult and be treated like one. Starbucks isnt a private range or a private dwelling. Pulling gun, even for photos, is childish and in no way helps us. Starbucks didnt cave to pressure or take a stance against gun owners. All they did was take a stance against possible lawsuits and childish behavior. If one of those guys had a ND and hurt/killed someone Starbucks can and probably will be sued by the victim or their family. Obviously the company doesnt want that. Instead of seizing the opportunity to show the public we (gun owners in general) are responsible adults we went ahead and wasted that opportunity by acting like children. My parents always told me ...."act like a child and we'll treat you like one." ....Same goes here.


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[Xtasy]

Lol, I do! For me CC = gun is supported on both sides. OC= it still pulls down more so than CC.



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You might want to try another holster

 

[raymo2u]

and a thicker belt, maybe wider too

 

[Arik]

You might want to try another holster

and a thicker belt, maybe wider too

Yea yea. Ive got those. professional gun belt. Thick and wide. Forgot who the maker is. And I use Galco King Tuck or Crossbreed for IWB. I tired OWB. Bought all kinds of expansive leather and leather/kydex holsters. In the end the gun is still not supported on one side.

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[raymo2u]

new gun is in order for carry? maybe suspenders would help

 

[Arik]

new gun is in order for carry? maybe suspenders would help

No. IWB is excellent. You guys can keep the OWB stuff.

No thanks on the new gun. Dont much care for bug guns. My G19 is fine

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[raymo2u]

ok mr grumpy! just trying to stop your carry items from "pantsing" you. as it can be humilating showing both your goods and your guns anywhere, i know its happened

 

[Arik]

ok mr grumpy! just trying to stop your carry items from "pantsing" you. as it can be humilating showing both your goods and your guns anywhere, i know its happened

Im not grumpy. Text doesnt convey emotions. I found ig humorous

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[HKB]

I think there might be some confusion about OC here. From my understanding... and... I don't know the laws for each state just those that I have lived in, CC is not always allowed and when it is it often has to be justified. In other states you can apply for a CC license and within a week it is approved, Pennsylvania comes to mind. Justified meaning you have to be carrying large sums of money around.... etc. for your CC license. When I lived in Arizona a CC license was hard to obtain (so I was told) but anyone could OC. I OCed there when I was out in the wild country... when I drove into town I was discrete about my sidearm even though no one cared, eastern boy in western town. My point being is that some might not have the option to CC so OC is the only way they can carry. Just as a side note.... I CC but if I could only OC and wanted a cup of coffee I would walk into Panera Bread and have a cup. If the manager of Panera Bread tells me to get the hell out.... fine... there is always the drive-through at McDonalds. In this day and age I'll try to give my business to those that are gun friendly.

 

[raymo2u]

i was also being funny

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Here in Vermont you'll seldom, if ever, see anyone carrying a gun in a coffee shop. In the fall, during duck and deer seasons, that's also true. Gun racks in pickups, sure, but not as common because of the problem with theft. This is interesting. In the most gun friendly state in the US people who carry do so concealed and have no desire to open carry. I suggest if these folks who openly carried in Starbucks had been a little more "discrete" this issue would not have come up and we'd continue to carry with the stores blessing. And anyone who would carry a rifle or shotgun into these stores, let's just say they have other issues than gun rights (please note my attempt to be diplomatic).

 

[Old TexMex]

Until they put legal sineage, sell 51% alcohol or become a school or post office, I'll carry concealed. I would hope others do too.

 

[A10]

i know the difference, but why should it matter whether it is the government or a CEO. DO you not think that their may be political ties to starbucks. It is nearly impossible for large corporations to not have some political ties.

Well, truth is I have political ties too. Does that mean my decisions are all based on those ties? And, in Howards case, if he was politically motivated, then why didn't he come out as soon as the Guns and Coffee thing started and make all his stores a gun free zone? Heck, he STILL hasn't done that.

Here is my perspective. Lets say I own a business. You come into my business screaming at the top of your lungs how much you LOVE JELLY DONUTS!!! So, I ask you to calm it down. Am I violating your Constitutional right to free speech? The answer is no. You are perfectly free to express yourself IN PUBLIC! You are NOT perfectly free to express yourself in my business.

Private property rights are also a Constitutional guarrantee. If you own it, you have authority over what happens in it.

 

[Badquaker]

Here are the pictures i mentioned upthread, these guys aren't open carrying they're brandishing

What can be determined by that photo?

They are in possession of Starbucks cups.
They are in possession of handguns.
The man on the left has less than half of his drink left.
They are in a truck.
They do not have their fingers on the triggers.

I fail to see any faux pas of significant measure.

Someone WANTING it to be an issue, will fill in the unknowns to fit their agenda.

 

[Smoke]

They are in their truck so it is not brandishing it is two fools with starbucks cups and guns posing for a goofy picture. They are not in a place of business

Not sure why but only one picture uploaded in the other there was a guy clearly standing in the lobby with a shotgun at low ready.
How would you react if you walked into a coffee shop and saw the first thing?

 

[Smoke]

What can be determined by that photo?

They are in possession of Starbucks cups.
They are in possession of handguns.
The man on the left has less than half of his drink left.
They are in a truck.
They do not have their fingers on the triggers.

I fail to see any faux pas of significant measure.

Someone WANTING it to be an issue, will fill in the unknowns to fit their agenda.

What can you determine from this photo?

 

[duppie]

What can you determine from this photo?

I'm by no means an expert but that looks photoshopped.

 

[ditrina]

OK... Starbucks.. Open Carry?.. Concealed Carry?.. Fracking..?

Were done .. Thanks for all the input..