Hypocrisy in Hollywood versus real life

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I don't intend this as a political statement...to me, it's a moral issue.

I like to watch movies, and I also like to look them up on IMDB and read the trivia about them. Last night, I was reading the trivia posted for The Alamo (the original version, starring John Wayne.) One comment said that Mr. Wayne and Richard Widmark didn't get along, in part due to their opposing views on gun control. I was intrigued by that, and did some further reading on Richard Widmark. It turns out that he was very much in favor of gun control, disliked guns and violence, and even said:

''I know I've made kind of a half-assed career out of violence, but I abhor violence...I am an ardent supporter of gun control. It seems incredible to me that we are the only civilized nation that does not put some effective control on guns.''

Now, I can't say I've seen every movie he's ever made, but in the ones I have seen, primarily westerns, he's used a gun. I know that actors are playing a part, and just because one plays a rapist or murderer in a movie doesn't mean that he or she is one in real life, or agrees with it. However, it seems to me that if one felt so strongly about an issue as some of these actors claim to feel, they would not take on a role that would glorify or support the use of guns and/or violence. If anything, they would take roles that would show guns and violence to be bad or wrong.

I know that we all face issues in our own lives wherein we have to do something that we don't agree with. For example, I spent my working life in HR with a major company. We often had to meet EEOC goals and targets, and in order to do so, had to pass over more qualified applicants who were not minorities to hire lesser qualified applicants who were minorities (but who still met the minimum qualifications.) I didn't agree with that then, and don't now...I think race should never be a consideration, either pro or con, and only qualifications and experience should be considered. However, I followed the mandates of my company and the government, and so I suppose that makes me a hypocrite to some degree as well.

It just seems to me that these action movie stars who get rich portraying characters who use guns and violence to their advantage in the movies, and then decry their use in their own lives are talking out of both sides of their mouths (to be polite.) They could choose roles that didn't violate their so-called beliefs. However, I guess the same thing could be said of me...I could have found a different job where I didn't have to comply with those staffing directives I didn't think were correct. The actors who are choosing these roles aren't under a government or company mandate to do so, and that is what I see as the difference...they are doing it simply for the money.

There aren't many celebrities I admire...there are a few, like Jimmy Stewart, for example, that lived a public life that upheld his personal beliefs. These seem to be a rare commodity anymore.
 
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I didn't know that about Widmark. Thanks. I wonder how he felt about playing Jim Bowie, known to have used knives violently. (Although justly.) And didn't he play a Viking, too? :rolleyes:

Hollywood knows that violent action movies sell tickets. That is why they make the movies they do. Then, they pretend that they abhor violence. Well, they may, but they exploit it and want to deny their involvement in glorifying said violence.

But without their hypocrisy, we'd have some very boring films.
 
The actor and the characters they play are 2 different things. Why is everyone surprised. They PLAY MAKE BELIEVE! Kal Pen, who plays Kumar is actually a vegetarian despite making a movie about going to white castle for burgers. Anthony Hopkins doesn't actually eat people. Christopher Reve didn't really fly. Edward Norton isn't a Neo Nazi, and Ray Fines was never a Nazi officer and I'm sure both men are not Nazi sympathizers despite playing and making money being those people.

I watch movies for entertainment, not for the politics

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I don't intend this as a political statement...to me, it's a moral issue.

I like to watch movies, and I also like to look them up on IMDB and read the trivia about them. Last night, I was reading the trivia posted for The Alamo (the original version, starring John Wayne.) One comment said that Mr. Wayne and Richard Widmark didn't get along, in part due to their opposing views on gun control. I was intrigued by that, and did some further reading on Richard Widmark. It turns out that he was very much in favor of gun control, disliked guns and violence, and even said:

''I know I've made kind of a half-assed career out of violence, but I abhor violence...I am an ardent supporter of gun control. It seems incredible to me that we are the only civilized nation that does not put some effective control on guns.''

Now, I can't say I've seen every movie he's ever made, but in the ones I have seen, primarily westerns, he's used a gun. I know that actors are playing a part, and just because one plays a rapist or murderer in a movie doesn't mean that he or she is one in real life, or agrees with it. However, it seems to me that if one felt so strongly about an issue as some of these actors claim to feel, they would not take on a role that would glorify or support the use of guns and/or violence. If anything, they would take roles that would show guns and violence to be bad or wrong.

I know that we all face issues in our own lives wherein we have to do something that we don't agree with. For example, I spent my working life in HR with a major company. We often had to meet EEOC goals and targets, and in order to do so, had to pass over more qualified applicants who were not minorities to hire lesser qualified applicants who were minorities (but who still met the minimum qualifications.) I didn't agree with that then, and don't now...I think race should never be a consideration, either pro or con, and only qualifications and experience should be considered. However, I followed the mandates of my company and the government, and so I suppose that makes me a hypocrite to some degree as well.

It just seems to me that these action movie stars who get rich portraying characters who use guns and violence to their advantage in the movies, and then decry their use in their own lives are talking out of both sides of their mouths (to be polite.) They could choose roles that didn't violate their so-called beliefs. However, I guess the same thing could be said of me...I could have found a different job where I didn't have to comply with those staffing directives I didn't think were correct. The actors who are choosing these roles aren't under a government or company mandate to do so, and that is what I see as the difference...they are doing it simply for the money.

There aren't many celebrities I admire...there are a few, like Jimmy Stewart, for example, that lived a public life that upheld his personal beliefs. These seem to be a rare commodity anymore.

The answer is money--lots of money.
 
I didn't know that about Widmark. Thanks. I wonder how he felt about playing Jim Bowie, known to have used knives violently. (Although justly.) And didn't he play a Viking, too? :rolleyes:

Hollywood knows that violent action movies sell tickets. That is why they make the movies they do. Then, they pretend that they abhor violence. Well, they may, but they exploit it and want to deny their involvement in glorifying said violence.

But without their hypocrisy, we'd have some very boring films.

True he didnt like guns but, I have respect for him that he never pushed his views on anyone--unlike those of today. Same can be said about Burt Lancaster. These two still remain two of my top favorites. Robert Mitchums son-Christopher, made two films with Duke, was originally going to do six BUT, his political views overloaded his ***, so Duke cancelled those other four films. Had he kept his mouth shut? he could have been a mega-star now. Shame too, because he was great in Big Jake and Rio Lobo.
 
The actor and the characters they play are 2 different things. Why is everyone surprised. They PLAY MAKE BELIEVE! Kal Pen, who plays Kumar is actually a vegetarian despite making a movie about going to white castle for burgers. Anthony Hopkins doesn't actually eat people. Christopher Reve didn't really fly. Edward Norton isn't a Neo Nazi, and Ray Fines was never a Nazi officer and I'm sure both men are not Nazi sympathizers despite playing and making money being those people.

I watch movies for entertainment, not for the politics

As I said, to me it's not about politics...it's a moral issue. For example, if Christopher Reeves advocated that flying was bad and wrong, and no one should be allowed to fly, then it would be a hypocritical for him to play a character who flew to benefit mankind.

As I also said, there is a line between playing a role and being a hypocrite. Personally, I abhor animal cruelty, and I would never play a character who abused or mistreated animals.

Not every actor in every role is advocating his or her moral stance...I get that. But if an actor is so vocal about his disdain for an issue, and willing to deny others their rights to what he or she dislikes, then the actor should have the moral courage to not make money from the very thing he would deny others.
 
Don't be too hard on Widmark. You have to bear in mind that he began in the old studio system where actors made the movies they were told to. They made him a tough guy and those were the parts he played. Even after he got big enough to pick and chose his roles, he still had an image to keep up. The public would have accepted no less.

As for today's actors, yep hypocrites through and through.
 
I think it is hypocrisy, especially since they are paid for it. James Mason was a pacifist in WWII, yet he had no scruples about portraying Rommel or other military figures, or Captain Nemo, who goes around killing people.
 
Hypocrites? Really. They are only actors. Why would anyone expect them to choose their roles to reflect their values/morals. It would be like expecting that a politician would vote according to their values/morals and not simply to get re-elected. Next someone will expect major U.S. corporations to do business based on what is best for the U.S.A. That of course would be the height of foolishness. Everyone knows that the only thing that matters for such businesses is ... money.
 
I didn't know that about Widmark. Thanks. I wonder how he felt about playing Jim Bowie, known to have used knives violently. (Although justly.) And didn't he play a Viking, too? :rolleyes:

Hollywood knows that violent action movies sell tickets. That is why they make the movies they do. Then, they pretend that they abhor violence. Well, they may, but they exploit it and want to deny their involvement in glorifying said violence.

But without their hypocrisy, we'd have some very boring films.

As Captain Eric Finlander, Widmark fired the biggest gun of all in The Bedford Incident... "If he fires one, I'll fire one." "Fire one!" - YouTube
 
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As I said, to me it's not about politics...it's a moral issue. For example, if Christopher Reeves advocated that flying was bad and wrong, and no one should be allowed to fly, then it would be a hypocritical for him to play a character who flew to benefit mankind.

As I also said, there is a line between playing a role and being a hypocrite. Personally, I abhor animal cruelty, and I would never play a character who abused or mistreated animals.

Not every actor in every role is advocating his or her moral stance...I get that. But if an actor is so vocal about his disdain for an issue, and willing to deny others their rights to what he or she dislikes, then the actor should have the moral courage to not make money from the very thing he would deny others.

I understand. I love animals and believe in live and let live. I eat meat and it's tasty but I won't do the killing. I have my own opinion on hunting and while i won't tell you what you should do i will tell you that I'm not a fan of it. But I do like to eat meat. If this makes me a hypocrite so be it. I also hate animal cruelty but if I'm in a movie, it's fake I don't care. I can separate the fact that I'm not actually killing or torturing a real animal.

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I think it's like the Marlboro man, imagine if he was an anti smoker but because of greed he took the role of promoting smoking.
 
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I think it's like the Marlboro man, imagine if he was an anti smoker but because of greed he took the role of promoting smoking.

Everyone and everything is/are hypocrites. If you (the general "you" not anyone specific) were so righteous you wouldn't be driving Fords or buying IBM ......The list goes on and on and on.

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An actor or actress, especially a really good one, who's not an utter train wreck as a human being is rarer than a .45acp broomhandle.

Their lives, both by their own doing and that of others, tend to be so nightmarish that they seem to seek out anything that takes them out of themselves, be it playing dress up and make believe or doing eightballs.

I have no more regard for the non-professional opinions of actors than I do for those of sports figures... with the caveat that I couldn't care less what sports figures (or anyone else for that matter) think about sports either.

Of course if an actor or actress's publicly stated opinions are odious enough, I just ignore them, just as I'd shun a garbage man or waitress with the same opinions.
 
I think it's like the Marlboro man, imagine if he was an anti smoker but because of greed he took the role of promoting smoking.
I think it's like bin Laden or al Zawahiri having a half interest in "Hustler" magazine, a SPAM factory or Jim Beam. It's THAT contrary to their alleged "fundamental" beliefs purely in the name of craven greed.
 
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