CWP in bars/restaurants

[paupal]

SC politicians have introduced a bill to allow cwp holders to carry into bars/restaurants, unless there be a sign prohibiting such carry. Needless to say, the media/libs are up in arms, saying there will be bloodshed in the bars. Frankly, I'm not afraid of cwp holders in bars, what is really scary is the over imbiber drinking til their way over the legal limit, then stumbling out the door and getting into their cars to drive home or somewhere. There are more fatalities in South Carolina from dui drivers than from cwp holders have a glass of wine with dinner. I am SO happy I live in a state that believes in the 2nd amendment. Even some democrats are gun friendly. Our Governor just received a pistol for Christmas. All you blue staters/gunners are welcome in SC. Come on down y'all.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Big mistake.

 

[b_san]

Big mistake.

Bull plop, you should be allowed to legally carry everywhere. What you do or more importantly do not do while carrying is your responsibility.

 

[carpriver]

michigan laws

In Michigan you can carry in a restaurant or super club that servers alcohol and earns more than 50% of its income from selling food. You are in violation of Michigan law if you are carrying a firearm and have a BAC of .02. You could lose our CPL.

 

[cmort666]

Big mistake.

What's mistaken about me being able to be armed while I eat lunch at Chipotle, while not consuming alcohol?

 

[Clovishound]

SC law does not allow you to carry while drinking. I don't have a problem with a person carrying in a bar, as long as they are not drinking.

The real thrust of this change in law is to allow a permit holder to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol. Prior to this law I had to stash my weapon in the car, if I wanted to legally enter a restaurant that serves beer or wine, or any other alcohol.

I see this as the same hand wringing that preceded the implementation of concealed carry. There were predictions of gunfights in the streets, and rocketing murder rates.

Didn't happen.

I see the same with this law. A concealed permit holder who followed the law and did not carry into a bar, will likewise follow the law and not drink if they decide to enter a bar while carrying. I have not heard of a CWP holder involved in a shooting at a bar here in SC.

It is a welcome change for me. No more checking to see if the restaurant serves alcohol or not. No more stashing my weapon in the parking lot.

The other welcome change included in this law is allowing a CWP holder to carry a weapon in a closed container anywhere in the vehicle. Current law allows concealed carry on the holder, or in the glove compartment or console. This means I can leave my weapons in my range bag when my buddy and I go to the range.

 

[Smoke]

I don't drink and I don't go to bars, but I have been seated in the bar area of Dead Lobster with my wife because that's what was available at the time. I think that's what this law is designed to address and I don't see the issue. I imagine that it's still illegal to posses a firearm while intoxicated which is the reall issue.

 

[cmort666]

I find it curious that in general, those most opposed to people being able to eat lunch (and NOT consume alcohol) at Chipotle while armed, are the same ones opposed to open carry, and who jump on anyone who inadvertently exposes their firearm.

These very same people demand that I risk exposure while arming and disarming to eat lunch or dinner, AND say if I get proned out by the cops for OBEYING THE LAW, it's MY fault.

I think that their underlying principle is that you just shouldn't CARRY, period, or at the least carry as seldom as possible.

 

[Bill_inBouse]

All the anti's said the same thing about Arizona. One here may carry into an establishment serving alcohol, provided said establishment is not posted and YOU do not partake of any alcohol beverages. I have carried into quite a few restaurants for lunch or supper, just drink something else..no big problem.
No blood in the streets, no big increase in bodies laying outside the bars or restaurants, granted shootings do happen, but from what I have seen the shooters and those shot belong to those neighborhood organizations which most honest people do not, and IMHO are not a big loss to society

 

[cmort666]

No blood in the streets, no big increase in bodies laying outside the bars or restaurants, granted shootings do happen, but from what I have seen the shooters and those shot belong to those neighborhood organizations which most honest people do not, and IMHO are not a big loss to society

Likewise in Ohio.

Almost ALL of the bar shootings here involve people who not only DON'T have CHLs, they involve convicted felons who can't even OWN a gun, much less carry one.

If EVERY prediction of mass slaughter by Toby Hoover, the Cleveland Plain Dealer and the rest of the anti-gun freaks here actually came true, Ohio would look like some kind of howling wasteland, a la "Life Without People".

 

[ladder13]

Even in Stalag NY you can carry in a bar/restaurant, go figure.

 

[Don 73]

I don't have the slightest problem with LEGAL CCW anywhere the average person is allowed to go: Bars, restaurants, sporting events, etc AS LONG AS they forgo the USE of alcohol. I too think that DUI incidents are far more common and far more deadly than CCW carriers having a weapon on them while out to dinner or at a game.

And as one poster said "granted shootings do happen, but from what I have seen the shooters and those shot belong to those neighborhood organizations which most honest people do not" more simply stated the ones we have to worry about are the thugs and their cohorts that aren't supposed to have weapons in the first place

 

[Kanewpadle]

Let me clarify. In this state it is not legal to carry into a bar. However you can go into a restaurant and sit in the dining area but not at the bar.

I think this is good. Too many beer muscles in bars. Drinking and guns don't go well as has been said here before.

In the state of Alaska, you do not need a carry permit and you can carry into bars. They have a significant problem with drunk youngsters shooting each other.

 

[Smoke]

Let me clarify. In this state it is not legal to carry into a bar. However you can go into a restaurant and sit in the dining area but not at the bar.

I think this is good. Too many beer muscles in bars. Drinking and guns don't go well as has been said here before.

The way I read this you are punishing me for the actions of another person. I haven't had a drink in over thirty years but I'm hearing you say that I shouldn't be able to be seated in the bar area of a restaurant because someone else might over imbibe and decide to pick a fight with me. (Because of my concealed weapon? ) I don't understand that logic.

In the state of Alaska, you do not need a carry permit and you can carry into bars. They have a significant problem with drunk youngsters shooting each other.

And I'd be willing to bet that those drunk youngsters ( sounds like a good name for a band) are already in violation of Alaska law by being in possession of a firearm under the influence.

 

[Larry from Bend]

Let me clarify. In this state it is not legal to carry into a bar. However you can go into a restaurant and sit in the dining area but not at the bar.

I think this is good. Too many beer muscles in bars. Drinking and guns don't go well as has been said here before.

In the state of Alaska, you do not need a carry permit and you can carry into bars. They have a significant problem with drunk youngsters shooting each other.

The elitists (even here in MT) say this very thing every time a bill comes up to allow CC in bars. Makes them feel superior; I believe.

In OREGON, we've had CC in Bars, NightClubs, Taverns, etc .... ever since CC was made "mainstream" decades ago. I've never heard of a single problem with it and we certainly have our share of wild drinking establishments. People shooting people in Bars aren't ordinarily CC holders. BUT ---- it's an easy target for the elitists and allowing CC in Bars seems illogical to the uninformed...

When you think about it: if you believe that CC saves lives (yours and potentially others) and it's wise to carry for those who are licensed to do so ----- but yet CC holders shouldn't be trusted to carry where alcohol is served ----- It kinda seems like pure politics to me.

 

[Hodgin]

TN law was recently changed to allow carry with license in bars and restaurants so long as there's no consumption of alcoholic beverages. As the law is written, it means "none," not a blood alcohol level above .xxx. The law used to prohibit carry in bars/restaurants will alcohol sales above a certain percentage of revenue.

 

[Mcwsky09]

What's mistaken about me being able to be armed while I eat lunch at Chipotle, while not consuming alcohol?

You'd have to get me drunk to eat at Chipotle

And you'd probably not want to be stuck in an enclosed space with me for the rest of the day afterwards if I did

 

[SgtLumpy]

All the anti's said the same thing about Arizona...

[but there's been]

...No blood in the streets, no big increase in bodies laying outside the bars or restaurants, granted shootings do happen, but from what I have seen the shooters and those shot belong to those neighborhood organizations which most honest people do not, and IMHO are not a big loss to society

Seems like all the bar shootings I hear about in Phoenix involve someone going OUT to their truck, retrieving their gun, then shooting someone else either in the same parking lot, often the bouncer at the door. Off hand, I can't recall any shootings inside bars.

Maybe they should make it illegal to shoot people..


Sgt Lumpy

 

[venomballistics]

Here in NE ... I feel the law is needlessly redundant.
you may not carry if you drink anything at all.
ALSO, you may not carry in bars, or the bar areas of restaurants.
Almost assuming you will drink .....
I don't agree with the second part when the first part covers it.

 

[paupal]

No One Knows

It occurred to me that unless you show your cw, no one knows whether you are armed or not. I have carried my cw into areas that forbid carry. As long as I don't show, no one will know. But, if I have to use it, then I suppose I will get into more trouble than if I didn't carry, but then again, I might be dead.